Off Topic UK / EU Future

Yes the same Sir Dyson that is about to double his 3,500 workforce in the UK with a 210 - hectare 2nd research centre, a £2.5 billion investment.

 

Like 80% of CBI members....

 

The EU is relying on those with delicate souls and a defeatist attitude to bully the UK into a corner. Hopefully we can come up with leaders who have a semblance of a backbone.

 

You should ask the 80% of businesses that do not trade with the EU. Supporters of multinational companies are normally thin on the ground on these threads. The CBI was part of project fear and wanted the UK to join the dreaded Euro. Best not to take too much notice of them.

 

Backbone

Yeah that’s it the spirit of the blitz and all that, that’s all that’s needed here. BELIEVE,

Who voted for stockpiling Spam and floating generators in the North Sea btw?

 

Oh the CBI ‘project fear’ lie again......yawn.

 

They always manage to convince some of the more gullible amongst us.

 

They merely reflect the views of their members, but that simple uncomfortable truth has to be dismissed as them being somehow complicit in a non existent conspiracy, by Brextremist fruit loops.

Deny reality, avoid facts, speak with emotive soundbites and zero actual detail, continue to plough on with the myth despite the ever growing and now irrefutable evidence that this is nothing more than a grotesque act of national self harm, speak about ‘belief’ and ‘backbone’, that is literally all you’ve got left. The Cult of Brexit.

 

I would rather have belief and backbone than wither under threats and fake project fear. Some people like being led, told what their parameters are. Whatever a final agreement looks like the UK must have the ability to freely trade with other nations without any interference from the EU. The EU hates competition as it has shown with the attempted bullying of Ireland over its attractive corporation tax rates. The EU is a dying insular club, the sooner we leave the better especially before Trump fully attacks the current unfair tariff rates.

 

1 So there would be a large financial black hole in their income. Hmm - what is that - oh £7b per annum. Do you know how tiny that is in relation to the combined GDP of the 27. A gnat on a flea's *rse.
2 which therefore must match increased hassle for our exporters and importers. Who is worse off here then?
3 Thank you. Civili servants are working on instructions. So thier view is immaterial. They do what they are told - as servants do. What they want is not relevant.

 

Thankfully TM has given the hard liners enough time to show their position is untenable and has now come round to a far more sensible approach - a soft brexit. SHe may not get it but it is the best deal there could be. Hoorah for the sensible majority in the cabinet and Tory party. Those nasty little bremoaner rebels now need to pick up their toys and go home to phrase it as you might.

 

Should we be telling them ‘you lost get over it’?

 

Your assessment of the civil servants involved is completely different to that experienced by the Brexit minister. Steve Baker said to the ST "It does appear to me that there has been a year's worth of cloak and dagger to land us into the Chequers position. An established elite who never accepted the fundamental right of the public to choose democratically their institutions are working towards overturning them. We're back to what civil servants wanted a year ago, the advice they were giving then"

I expect the UK to be worse off at first until sanity is restored to all.

The large amount of subsidy we give to Brussels cannot be compared with GDP. It will be the intense inter member wrangling on who pays and receives what. They are already squabbling, if a black hole appears expect this to rapidly intensify.

 

Far too early, expect fireworks this coming week. The LP will not rescue the PM, she has alienated much of the Tory grassroots faithful, she is probably toast.

 

I'm sorry but do you think our 7b is important in a block whose GDP is 17 or more trillion?
As Tobes says, TM needs to tell her bremoaners - you lost, get over it.

 

Yes, our contribution is extremely important to the EU, wait until there is a shortfall before downplaying the impact. They are already bitching with each other even before the subsidies end.

It does not matter what May tells her MPs, most realise she has colluded with the establishment to undermine the democratic result. She has taken the easy option as far as the EU is concerned but they will she join the other groups in undermining her position in the near future. I would go so far as to say many Tories would rather risk a calamitous Corbyn government than be part of a Tory government that ignored a democratic process.

 

Not sure how you think May will get her Brexit bill through without a commons majority, please explain how the Brexiteers are meant to have lost?

 

What ‘establishment’ has she colluded with exactly? That’s merely just another chuck away soundbite that means absolutely nothing.

As for supposedly undermining the democratic result, that’s yet more jarg trotted out by those who wanted the most brutal Brexit possible.

Under May’s proposal we’d be leaving the EU, including the single market and the customs union, we’d no longer fall under the ECJ’s jurisdiction and free movement would end. The idea that this somehow undermines an in / out referendum is absolutely preposterous. Those claiming that Leave meant exactly the same thing to 17.4m are being completely dishonest. What you and they really mean is that YOU’RE not getting what YOU wanted, there’s a World of difference.

 

Since May's disastrous proposal, which will only get worse after the EU has had its response, Tory support has nosedived. Her own MPs will be queuing up next week to argue against her fudge. She will not get it through parliament, full stop.

 

I have just got back from my lunch, and there was someone joining us who I had never met before. It seems that he is a consultant to companies and their logistic needs, including companies in the UK within the auto industry. As he pointed out Slovakia is building a production plant for Jaguar Land Rover twice the size that is needed for current production plans. Spain is doing likewise for the Nissan production plant. JLR could move their entire production out of the UK within four months. Nissan is set up to be moved within three months. It has finally dawned on the UK government that somehow they have to protect that industry, and there are others, that rely on just in time supply chains. Looking at the current proposals they are an attempt to guard against large companies that employ thousands directly, and many more indirectly leaving the country while nothing is clear. It looks to him that reality is kicking in, and the leave campaign, based on wishful thinking is being slowly ditched. Just how far the wild men of the right are prepared to push things remains to be seen, and they will have to reflect on if they wish to remove the PM and probably see her reelected.