Second Referendum

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PhheHdee said:
removal of political enemies leaves everyone all on the same page, all pretence of democracy can go ahead.

As in, everyone will agree that Turkey is democratic in the Turkish political sphere
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I think that you are underestimating the ability of some countries to see through the facade. If you are under thirty you may see a version of democracy arrive in Turkey. In Russia most political enemies are removed, but I would not call it a democracy.
 
paultheplug said:
I think that you are underestimating the ability of some countries to see through the facade. If you are under thirty you may see a version of democracy arrive in Turkey. In Russia most political enemies are removed, but I would not call it a democracy.
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There are many ways to remove a political enemy from the running, the media have been doing it for decades in Europe and the US ;)
 
gotta say it, this is the most civil non crazy Brexit thread I have ever happened upon <ok>

Mind you I haven't started salt mining yet :bandit:

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PhheHdee said:
No idea if this is accurate or not.

I do like Andrew Neil's destruction of this remoaner propaganda lobbyist. This guy is a typical remoaner, look at how he reacts to being called out on his nonsense, looks like he is going to pop an eye vessel

Andrew Neil is about the only good thing about the Beeb
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lol wow, just watched this. Someone had their arse handed to them
 
PhheHdee said:
gotta say it, this is the most civil non crazy Brexit thread I have ever happened upon <ok>

Mind you I haven't started salt mining yet :bandit:

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What have strategic arms limitation talks have to do with a second referendum
 
PhheHdee said:
I don't see how it is funny, if Turkey meet EU criteria they are in, so the game is can Turkey create a false sense of reality.
The EU is only concerned about how things look, not how they are.

The EU wants the bloc to grow, you realise how much the EU has funnelled of your cash into Ukraine, another future member state. Another ****hole
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I’m laughing as it quite simply won’t happen. Not in 2021, nor anytime in the foreseeable future.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
Touché

There’s at least an illusion of democracy. Erdogan has shelved even that?
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Several EU states have an appearance of democracy, normally though it is smaller ones where all of the politicians and business people went to school together. Ireland is a perfect example actually
 
I think brb deserves an award, how many of you ****s would be out burning cars and assaulting people because of political beliefs if this site was not here <laugh>
 
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PhheHdee said:
Several EU states have an appearance of democracy, normally though it is smaller ones where all of the politicians and business people went to school together. Ireland is a perfect example actually
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There’s patronage in just about every political system.

Ireland at least has free elections. You won’t see any of that from Erdogan. Or if you do, they’ll be Putin style elections.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
There’s patronage in just about every political system.

Ireland at least has free elections. You won’t see any of that from Erdogan. Or if you do, they’ll be Putin style elections.
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what do you mean Putin style elections? What happened in the Russian elections? I am not at all up on that topic I must admit, mainly due to a lack of knowledge of the Russian language.
 
PhheHdee said:
what do you mean Putin style elections? What happened in the Russian elections? I am not at all up on that topic I must admit, mainly due to a lack of knowledge of the Russian language.
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I think it’s pretty clear what happens in any “election” in Russia. Putin wins.
 
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