You surely would not think it better if they were committed to their own countries?
Second Referendum
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Tbh I have opinions but without any actual detail data or facts, it would be mere conjecture.
What? I would not think it better for politicians elected to represent their own country, represent their own citizens or in politics to represent their own constituents?
erm yes I would, and the EU second.
But the EU is a partnership between sovereign states. You need to have a body independent of the states but appointed by them to make sure the Treaties are applied fairly. The Council of Ministers, the Commission and the Parliament all contribute to that.
If you join a club, get appointed to its committee and then act in your own interests you are probably committing a criminal offence.
None of what you say matters in relation to how the body functions. For example once something becomes an EU law, the Parliament has no ability to propose a change to this law.
I think this illustrates the difficulty in bridging the gap between remain and leave.
Anyone who sees the EU as some sort of external body acting in its own interest at the expense of its members will certainly disagree with those of us who think it is an important step towards greater collaboration between nations.
Anyone who sees the EU as some sort of external body acting in its own interest at the expense of its members will certainly disagree with those of us who think it is an important step towards greater collaboration between nations.
No they're not.
Another example of Leave scare tactics I'm afraid.
Edit: didn't see previous exchange on this
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The European Council = meeting of the member states when the leaders of each Member State are in attendance
The Council = when it's the ministers for the policy area being discussed attending
Decisions made at this stage is done almost entirely by Qualified Majority Voting. This means the UK Gov can vote against a proposal and as long as it receives enough votes from the other Member States it becomes law in the UK anyway
Remind me where UK citizens get a shout in this
The Council = when it's the ministers for the policy area being discussed attending
Decisions made at this stage is done almost entirely by Qualified Majority Voting. This means the UK Gov can vote against a proposal and as long as it receives enough votes from the other Member States it becomes law in the UK anyway
Remind me where UK citizens get a shout in this
As I have just demonstrated (and stated earlier) with how decisions on policy work, for UK citizens to effect change, they would have to work with citizens of the majority of other member states to effect change, and that is nigh impossible.
But that is exactly because the EU is set up by a Treaty between nation states so all its powers come from delegations from those states' governments. If the Parliament could make laws then the states would be subservient to it.
Are we getting it? If you wanted to get a regulation\policy passed that fits your country, you need the support of 10s of millions of people from other countries, to pass a law for the UK 
Democratic? lmfao
Democratic? lmfao
There’s no real democracy in the UK, for example. Any government will be elected by a minority of the voters, but then have control over all decisions affecting the population.
How does that make it democratic or serve the interests of any member state though
We are talking a democratic context. I don't care how it was set up, I care how it operates
It's a major error to assume that because people have a different viewpoint they are somehow ignorant of the facts. Although I do think it is true that only a tiny proportion of the voters on either side understood what the implications were.
