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DMD said:
Doesn't that depend on what they spend the 'extra' and existing tax on?

If the income was spent rather than saved, it possibly wouldn't need a tax increase.
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It does.

But you think most people would want to rally behind spending taxes on improving the country for everyone.

Well, you would think so.
 
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City Man said:
I will take your word about May, as she seems to be ill at ease with people (as is Corbyn to be fair, both natural introverts.
He may make better rabble-rousing speeches to the converted, but she easily gets the better of him in parliament. This is because he is ill- prepared and chaotic.
She seems Strong and Stable, but he just speaks for the Few(his far left coterie pals ) but pretends it's the Many.
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I would say that this election shows that she doesn't like to be questioned and is not prepared to defend her positions. I would say that the Labour Party under Corbyn have got the better of her when it mattered, that is when they make an announcement and within days change their position. Question Time always was a public school farce, more pantomime than serious politics. The fact its no longer worthy of a regular slot on the 6 O'clock news shows the power Corbyn has. He made it boring.

I would say he speaks for millions of people, maybe not enough to give Labour a majority tomorrow, but millions. He speaks to all those that want a decent education, an NHS that hits its targets, respect and help in old age and a society were the rich and powerful give their fair share back to society.

He seems ill-prepared and chaotic but his campaign has got stronger. She seems strong and stable but her campaign has got weaker. It seems all that glitters isn't gold.
 
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Leon T Trout AFC said:
That's some volte face. I thought the people of Hull would be voting out this Islington elite in their droves?

What happend to:

"Some people are not really literate at all, and have no time for party politics. But they can spot a phoney or a bullshitter a mile off"

Or don't you credit people of the port city of Hull with this inbuilt ability to spot phonies?
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We get just over 50% electoral turnout in Hull in general elections.
It's hardly a political hotbed is it? It's a rock solid old Labour stronghold with virtually no Con or Lib credibility locally.
The choice for most people is Labour or stay at home.
(I have no stats to back this up, it's anecdotal experience. )
 
Leon T Trout AFC said:
It does.

But you think most people would want to rally behind spending taxes on improving the country for everyone.

Well, you would think so.
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You'd need to get agreement and definition on what and where the 'improvements' are.
 
Leon T Trout AFC said:
For a supposed life-long Labour man you seem to desperate to see The Cons elected.

Love a man of unflinching principle me. [HASHTAG]#imalrightjack[/HASHTAG]
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I'm not going to blindly vote for a party that's been destroyed, initially as a bit of a joke but one that turned bad really quickly.

Principles is about doing what you think is right, not blindly doing the same thing without thinking.

Potentially the professional protester could feasibly destroy the Labour Party as a force for years.

Make you happy does it?
 
Obadiah said:
I would say that this election shows that she doesn't like to be questioned and is not prepared to defend her positions. I would say that the Labour Party under Corbyn have got the better of her when it mattered, that is when they make an announcement and within days change their position. Question Time always was a public school farce, more pantomime than serious politics. The fact its no longer worthy of a regular slot on the 6 O'clock news shows the power Corbyn has. He made it boring.

I would say he speaks for millions of people, maybe not enough to give Labour a majority tomorrow, but millions. He speaks to all those that want a decent education, an NHS that hits its targets, respect and help in old age and a society were the rich and powerful give their fair share back to society.

He seems ill-prepared and chaotic but his campaign has got stronger. She seems strong and stable but her campaign has got weaker. It seems all that glitters isn't gold.
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The claim that she doesn't debate isn't strictly accurate. It's more correct to say that she doesn't see public debates with politicians as meaningful or productive, instead choosing to answer questions from the electorate.

Having seen some of the politicians point scoring off each other, she has a point.
 
Off The Line said:
People can make their own minds up I'm sure.
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There are people like spook and PLT who are easily influenced and love buying in to this extreme sort of bollocks.

It's eerily similar to jihadism, on the complete opposite side of the spectrum.

It should not be shared or encouraged.
 
DMD said:
You'd need to get agreement and definition on what and where the 'improvements' are.
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True.

But I'd have thought raising children from poverty, investing in education (and the pupil premium for arts), closing the gap on inequality etc etc would appeal to anyone.

But as we've seen from some, they just care about the money in their back pocket more than a better society.
 
Happy Tiger said:
I'm not going to blindly vote for a party that's been destroyed, initially as a bit of a joke but one that turned bad really quickly.

Principles is about doing what you think is right, not blindly doing the same thing without thinking.

Potentially the professional protester could feasibly destroy the Labour Party as a force for years.

Make you happy does it?
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You put your own earnings (even though you claim to be in a high earning bracket) above helping this nation become more equal.

Make you happy does it?
 
Spook said:
A lot of people who vote Labour see that they have nowt to lose either, but a lot to gain, from voting Labour.

It amazes how people think the EU elite have shafted them, but don't apply the same logic and standard to the Tories. It just reeks of bootlickers doffing their caps to their masters because 'at least our elite are British'. It's pathetic.
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Lab/Con- both shafted the electorate re the EU.
Blair and co enthusiastically opened the floodgates to hundreds of thousands of hungry Eastern European workers.

Thanks for that.
Ironic isn't it that a big Remoaner **** like Blair is one of the main culprits for people voting Leave?
But then a bright lad like you knew that already eh?
 
Julian Edelman said:
One thing that is rather sad is the way this country has moved slowly away from caring about fellow workers in favour of self interest.
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Thatcherism for you mate.

Look at some of those who on here who reckon they were staunch Labour, yet quibble about paying a few quid more for the common good.

They'd rather kids be in poverty, schools and the NHS failing - and have a few extra quid in their bank.
 
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Leon T Trout AFC said:
True.

But I'd have thought raising children from poverty, investing in education (and the pupil premium for arts), closing the gap on inequality etc etc would appeal to anyone.

But as we've seen from some, they just care about the money in their back pocket more than a better society.
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Some people like to benefit personally from their own hard work and sacrifices.

Some people expect to have everything handed to them on a plate.

At both ends of the spectrum.

Yes I believe those that need help should get it. But only those that truly need it.

Life really isn't as simple as you seem to believe. Reality sucks much more.
 
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