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No they really didn't. Where did the PL announced that the sale was blocked, or even that they'd failed the test? They kept quiet because the matter wasn't closed. The only reason that the sale didn't happen was because the Allams pulled out. They reckoned they were fed up of waiting and would talk to someone else. Just a nice bonus that they pocketed a few million out of it of course. The reason they were able to pull out was because the exclusivity period had ended due to delays caused by the F&PP test. The F&PP test did not block the sale. The Allams did.

How do you know the Allams moved the goal posts? How do you know they blocked the deal with the Dai's? How do you know the Dai's were going to carry on without the consortium member who failed? Why was someone who failed even on the consortium in the first place? It's a pretty loose test, the Dai's must have known. How do you know the Allams are demanding an unrealistic amount? How do you know every potential bidder hasn't been a chancer trying to get us on the cheap?

Are these things all facts? How is all this stuff known by Hull City fans?
 
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In the Trust?

Oh right.

So exactly what would there be to talk about?

Sounds like the offer to talk is just at best mischief making and worst a total lie.

It's in the best interest of Hull City for them to go, barely anyone, anywhere, thinks otherwise.

But while they're still here, they might as well make things as painless as possible and if dialogue with the fans leads to some of their concerns being addressed, then that has to be a good thing.

I have some right knobhead customers, but I'm in dialogue with them all the time, because it would be stupid not to be.
 
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It's in the best interest of Hull City for them to go, barely anyone, anywhere, thinks otherwise.

But while they're still here, they might as well make things as painless as possible and if dialogue with the fans leads to some of their concerns being addressed, then that has to be a good thing.

I have some right knobhead customers, but I'm in dialogue with them all the time, because it would be stupid not to be.
Wouldn't that analogy work better if you have some customers who think you are a knobhead, but they are still in dialogue with you?

Just saying... :)
 
The Yorkshire Post article hints, and no more than hints, that dialogue is possible. Supporters representatives listening to Ehab Allam speaking is a small price to pay in the grand scheme of things even if it results in us being no further forward. It may, and I repeat, may, result in a way forward being found.

We've all read his opinions in this interview. When he speaks, we listen, be it in radio interviews or through the written press. You get streams and streams of debate on his words on here and elsewhere. The fans have listened to both Allams more than they've listened to the fans. I'm all for a way forward being found. I'd be happy to sit in a room with Ehab and listen if I there was a mutual respect in there. But as things stand I don't see anything in this interview that gives me hope on that score. And I don't see anything in the Allams' history that gives me hope that things are about to change. I hope I'm wrong. I'm open to possible solutions that help rid us of the rancour and bitterness that has done so much to suck the enjoyment out of supporting Hull City. I just don't see this interview as being the first step towards that.
 
Everything you say is correct; but now there is a need for a sale, a desire for a sale, and the owners jave an incentive to listen.

I always thought the OSC was a noble, but flawed supporter effort, led by that muppet, Mooney; but tell me, what is there to lose by the Trust making a well consider, and controlled, conciliatory move to test reaction?

I simply don't buy that the conduct of the fans is anything to do with the sales being aborted. The buyers aren't that stupid. All of them will have someone 'on the ground' at City, be it Adam Pearson, Paul Duffen or another advisor. By the time they get into a room with either Allam, they'll have had the full situation explained to them, explaining how the feud is with the present regime, and yet will still have decided to go on with attempting to purchase the club. It's insulting to suggest otherwise, as Ehab does in the YP interview. Of course we don't have a problem with 'foreign' owners. The mere suggestion of such is ridiculous. But there is no 'need' for a sale. The Allams make a lot of money while we're in the top flight, and will bring in a fair bit in the Championship. They need the fans as much today as they did this time last year, or the year before.

That said, I don't have any quibble with your second sentence. I too admire the OSC - my only issue has been how its voice has occasionally been portrayed in the media as the true voice of Hull City fans, which isn't the case, but that's not necessarily the OSC's fault. The Trust meeting the club would never be a bad idea. But hasn't the Trust been wanting this for some time? The only thing stopping it has been the Allams.
 
I simply don't buy that the conduct of the fans is anything to do with the sales being aborted. The buyers aren't that stupid. All of them will have someone 'on the ground' at City, be it Adam Pearson, Paul Duffen or another advisor. By the time they get into a room with either Allam, they'll have had the full situation explained to them, explaining how the feud is with the present regime, and yet will still have decided to go on with attempting to purchase the club. It's insulting to suggest otherwise, as Ehab does in the YP interview. Of course we don't have a problem with 'foreign' owners. The mere suggestion of such is ridiculous. But there is no 'need' for a sale. The Allams make a lot of money while we're in the top flight, and will bring in a fair bit in the Championship. They need the fans as much today as they did this time last year, or the year before.

That said, I don't have any quibble with your second sentence. I too admire the OSC - my only issue has been how its voice has occasionally been portrayed in the media as the true voice of Hull City fans, which isn't the case, but that's not necessarily the OSC's fault. The Trust meeting the club would never be a bad idea. But hasn't the Trust been wanting this for some time? The only thing stopping it has been the Allams.

I'm a little cofused, as EA made it very clear he disagreed woth it having anything to do with foriegn owners, je said it was a question from an inerested party - I would have thought he gave them his honest opinion, becsuse why wouldn't he?

If they are all such sharp buyers then your argument could easily assume they will question this public statement by EA, should it be untrue

I don't like the man or what he has done, but I would rather explore the common sense side of things.
 
I'm a little cofused, as EA made it very clear he disagreed woth it having anything to do with foriegn owners, je said it was a question from an inerested party - I would have thought he gave them his honest opinion, becsuse why wouldn't he?

If they are all such sharp buyers then your argument could easily assume they will question this public statement by EA, should it be untrue

I don't like the man or what he has done, but I would rather explore the common sense side of things.

I'm essentially saying that I don't really buy any of that part of the interview. By the time any buyer gets the the stage where they are meeting the club's owners to conduct what they hope will be a deal worth tens of millions of pounds, the beliefs held within the fan groups will be a known. I feel it is disingenuous of him to bring all of that side of things up in the manner he did. However, if speaking with him - or attempting to - is to bring a mutually beneficial conclusion to this whole sorry saga, then bring it on. I don't hold much hope, I believe that the breakdown in communications is more to do with the Allams than the fans, but yes, it's worth a shot.
 
I'm a little cofused, as EA made it very clear he disagreed woth it having anything to do with foriegn owners, je said it was a question from an inerested party - I would have thought he gave them his honest opinion, becsuse why wouldn't he?

If they are all such sharp buyers then your argument could easily assume they will question this public statement by EA, should it be untrue

I don't like the man or what he has done, but I would rather explore the common sense side of things.

You don't seriously believe that someone looking at buying a business for over £100m isn't fully aware of what's going in and around that business?
 
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You don't seriously believe that someone looking at buying a business for over £100m isn't fully aware of what's going in and around that business?

No I don't, but I do believe the level of their awareness is worth considering. I do recall, when the Chinese crowd turned up (was it ManU - probably the ones who made the remark to him) supporters took glee in letting them know the depth of their unrest; seeing it live is massively different to a paragraph in a report.

Not everything is as clearcut as some believe.

I am just pas5ding the Emirates, so time to go.
 
I feel this article is their response to the Oliver Holt piece at the weekend hence the timing. It reads like PR spin.

His attempt to appear like a reasonable, well meaning but burdened person who just wants to sell the club and move on. He'd love to make it up with the fans but they won't talk to him. So he will just focus on keeping the club in the PL, supporting the manager and looking for a safe pair of hands to sell to.

He's better at keeping on message than his dad but a lot worse at conducting business.

I think
that they thought they'd sold the club at the start of the season. I think that's why they didn't appoint a manager or sign any players - not our problem mate. I think that when the Dais deal fell through they did the bear minimum before the window slammed shut as I think they still thought they'd be shot of us in weeks. (The "record" signing is a red herring IMHO as in the current market records are being smashed all the time).

I'm astounded that it didn't seem to occur to them that the interest would dry up if we were bottom 3 by Christmas. I think they are now panicking they won't get shot of us for a decent wedge when we go down.....

All of that is completely without supporting evidence but it's my view....

Nonetheless pretty accurate in my view.
 
The Yorkshire Post article hints, and no more than hints, that dialogue is possible. Supporters representatives listening to Ehab Allam speaking is a small price to pay in the grand scheme of things even if it results in us being no further forward. It may, and I repeat, may, result in a way forward being found.

I doubt it would but worth trying just to prove the ****er wrong again. Oh and to prove to the few doubters left they really are a pair of ****s.
 
No I don't, but I do believe the level of their awareness is worth considering. I do recall, when the Chinese crowd turned up (was it ManU - probably the ones who made the remark to him) supporters took glee in letting them know the depth of their unrest; seeing it live is massively different to a paragraph in a report.

Not everything is as clearcut as some believe.

I am just pas5ding the Emirates, so time to go.

You're presuming the comment was made.

I don't think it was, it's just another lie.
 
They obviously thought they'd get through, hardly a surprise, I don't think anyone without a criminal conviction has ever failed one before.

Since the PL didn't announce that anyone failed this one, it's probably happened before and been kept quiet after the necessary changes were made to see a consortium pass it the second time around.