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ON 23rd of June which way are you going to vote?.

  • IN

    Votes: 28 43.8%
  • OUT

    Votes: 34 53.1%
  • DON'T KNOW

    Votes: 4 6.3%

  • Total voters
    64
  • Poll closed .
They can always write it into a piece of legislation. I wouldn't trust any politicians tbh.

Who can? How?

If the number of EU students at Scottish universities goes down do they get to claim compensation for lost income as well as having their funding guaranteed by some magical unchangeable legislation?

In which case we have the situation that Brexit means we just threw away billions of pounds for nothing changing except some racists get to feel like they won something (note to Gerrez just an exaggeration)
 
If you're the EU right now, it would be political suicide not to support Scotland in any attempt to remain in there. They will provide all sorts of incentives. I also think the scottish people would go for it.

Where I think it will fall down is the UK government agreeing to it.
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As has been said before, there are a number of EU countries that would not like to encourage separatist movements within their own countries and so I can't see that happening. An example is Spain.
 
David Cameron: Luis Suarez criticises 'appalling' campaign

Barcelona striker Luis Suarez says Prime Minister David Cameron set "the most appalling example" by losing the referendum of the United Kingdom's membership of the European Union.

"As a dad and as a human being, do I think we should have tough penalties when politicians behave like this? Yes," Mr Suarez told BBC Radio 5 live.

Mr Suarez had said that "it would be very understandable if the voters took into account that high-profile politicians are often role models".

"I made my own views clear, just as a dad watching the referendum," Mr Suarez added.

"I have a three-year-old son who loves Europe, loves watching debates and when politicians behave like this, it sets the most appalling example to young people in our country."
 
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Are you just metaphorically sticking your fingers in your ears?
Northern Ireland will not be joining the Republic anytime soon as the Republic are directly affected by Brexit and so unification would and should be the last thing that will be on their minds.

There's an incredible amount of hysteria in this thread. As someone who voted remain I am disappointed in our choice but that's democracy and so I accept the result and feel we now need to focus on making this work rather than fill in stupid petitions and call all those who voted leave racist bigots (I actually believe that this helped solidify the leave vote).
 
Who can? How?

If the number of EU students at Scottish universities goes down do they get to claim compensation for lost income as well as having their funding guaranteed by some magical unchangeable legislation?

In which case we have the situation that Brexit means we just threw away billions of pounds for nothing changing except some racists get to feel like they won something (note to Gerrez just an exaggeration)

Our government could write a piece of legislation guaranteeing certain levels of funding. It wouldn't be magical unchangable legislation though.
 
Read my comment again, then calm down. I've said that even if the Scottish Parliament wants to go for another referendum this current government won't allow it before 2020 and will have reasonable excuses why. Before Holyrood tries to pass a bill for a referendum they will also look to get the agreement from the UK government before casting the vote which the government can drag its heels with.
If the Scottish Parliament demands a vote before the UK exit from the EU is confirmed, then there's next to **** all that Westminster can do to deny it, both politically and from the social aspect. If there's a huge groundswell of opinion that wants it, it'll happen at their time of choosing not Westminsters.
 
If the Scottish Parliament demands a vote before the UK exit from the EU is confirmed, then there's next to **** all that Westminster can do to deny it, both politically and from the social aspect. If there's a huge groundswell of opinion that wants it, it'll happen at their time of choosing not Westminsters.

If there is overwhelming public opinion in favour of it, it will be a different story. If it's the SNP pushing for it the government can drag its heels for ages. Either way I'd expect people to want to know how the brexit is going to shape up before deciding to go for independance.
 
If the Scottish Parliament demands a vote before the UK exit from the EU is confirmed, then there's next to **** all that Westminster can do to deny it, both politically and from the social aspect. If there's a huge groundswell of opinion that wants it, it'll happen at their time of choosing not Westminsters.
They will of course firstly have to gauge whether there is popular support for another referendum and then secondly make a case to the Scottish people to vote on. They cannot just dust off the phish that was in the white paper seeing as the economic environment has clearly changed.
 
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It's getting up there. Can't see it changing anything but it's a little bit of hope for those still stunned by yesterday's result. I hope it triggers another referendum although I'm not sure if the legal conditions about turnout percentage and the percentage of the victory margin it cites are actually true

Honestly, I don't think Leave expected to win. Johnson and Gove have looked ghostly when confronted by the press in the last 24 hours. And the voters, I think a lot of them went Leave thinking it would be a protest vote, the status quo would stay the same, i.e. we'd stay in Europe, but the point would have been made about the country's discontent and desire for reform and that reform would be triggered. Instead they've actually won. And there's no contingency plan
Johnson was pro EU before Cameron decided to give his party an open vote and the right to campaign against remain.

He then saw his opportunity to challenge his old adversary and position himself as the new PM elect. It's a rivalry that goes back to their public school days, and the fat chump set aside his actual beliefs to play politics with the sole intention of personal gain.

Unfortunately for him, he gave the far right clown Farage and his cronies an air of respectability and he's therefore responsible for the biggest political **** up in modern British history. The reality of what he'd overseen dawned on the ****ing floppy haired prick yesterday morning.
 
They will of course firstly have to gauge whether there is popular support for another referendum and then secondly make a case to the Scottish people to vote on. They cannot just dust off the phish that was in the white paper seeing as the economic environment has clearly changed.
They'll judge the best time to push for it. If I was them, I'd give it 12-18 months plus, when the real economic reality of this monumental **** up is biting hard. They can then remind the Scots who was responsible for it, and that they can escape the malaise.
 
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That link doesn't work. Also I'm pretty sure I read that the French government have already said the agreement we have in place re Calais will remain.
French politicians are demanding that Britain takes back its border after voting to leave the European Union.
The Mayor of Calais Natacha Bouchart said an immigration deal which allows Britain to check passports in France, preventing migrants from crossing the Channel, should be renegotiated.
Ms Bouchart told French broadcaster BFM TV: "The British must take on the consequences of their choice.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/calais-tells-britain-back-border-195843138.html?nhp=1
 
French politicians are demanding that Britain takes back its border after voting to leave the European Union.
The Mayor of Calais Natacha Bouchart said an immigration deal which allows Britain to check passports in France, preventing migrants from crossing the Channel, should be renegotiated.
Ms Bouchart told French broadcaster BFM TV: "The British must take on the consequences of their choice.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/calais-tells-britain-back-border-195843138.html?nhp=1
Given that it's the Mayor and not a French MP I don't think we have to worry unduly just yet. This was a bilateral agreement that was not linked to EU membership and so the Mayor is just chancing her arm, and of course it sells news.
 
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Given that it's the Mayor and not a French MP I don't think we have to worry unduly just yet. This was a bilateral agreement that was not linked to EU membership and so the Mayor is just chancing her arm, and of course it sells news.
I think we shouldn't be relieved either. She is obviously reflecting current thinking.Why would the French be helpful to the British anymore?
 
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I think we shouldn't be relieved either. She is obviously reflecting current thinking.Why would the French be helpful to the British anymore?

Because they are still a neighbouring country and we will still co-operate and work together on plenty of things regardless of leaving the EU. We aren't all of a sudden becoming enemies with the countries in the EU...
 
I've said all along we would probably need to do some appeasing of Scotland upon an exit vote, guarantee all the current EU funding and do a good enough deal with the EU that the scots don't feel like they are losing out and they will happily stay.

If Scotland left us to join the EU it would be seen as embarrassing for the uk, but wouldn't particularly damage our negotiating position. Also other EU nations with separatist movements won't be keen on taking in Scotland. The economic plan for an exit however which didn't convince the Scottish people in 2014 was based largely on oil revenue which is now massively effected by volatile prices which are less than half what they were then. The Scottish people will be worse off outside of the U.K. but inside the EU. The numbers for independance don't work anymore, if you even believe they worked in 2014.

That's Spain basically...

The thing is now is a whole new ball game.

The Scots were threatened by a tory/libs coalition that they leave and they are not automatically in eu and at that time the eu back that stance as it was convienent.

Roll 12 months and suddenly tories are in on their own and they say referendum and the circumstances of 2914 might as well be 1914 for all their relevance.

Scotland faces being the arseholes of the uk along with wales and NI in a london centric uk.

The eu paying them development aid and being English speaking to attract those foreign direct investment jobs is very attractive

In the end.... why would it be less attractive outside uk but in eu.

Guess what... Scotland will claim it pays in more to Westminster than it gets back... and if that arguement is good enough for Brexiters it's good enough for Scots!!!

However I do think they just overspend but a significant part of that is appeasement and they can easily balance book outside uk.. the problem is then the uk loses all that oil etc
 
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