Off Topic YOUR VOTE COUNTED...

[FedLadSonOfAnfield]

I was surprised in the first place that a supermajority wasn't required since the consequences and actions to leave are massively greater than remaining.

I agree. The final victory margin was so narrow, they should have made the winning post 5% to reflect the magnitude of the decision, that way if Leave reached 5% you can't argue with a quite solid lead and it more truly reflects the will of the people. Hopefully this is taken into account in the coming days and weeks

 

[Treble]

Absolutely. Plenty of disadvantaged or lesser off voted Remain. I know some of these people. And to call it a 'win' for those people on the lower rung is nonsense, they've been convinced to betray their own values by conniving elitist right wingers who have portrayed Leave as some kind of victory and watershed moment for the poor/working class and others who voted that way. All they've done is betray themselves and the rest of the country by handing power to a couple of goons even further right than any recent Conservative government and who are even further away from traditional Socialist or leftist working class values than Cameron's Centrist outfit

And the bitter irony is, if it all goes pete tong, it will be that very demographic that will suffer the most and feel the biggest brunt of it. They always are.

 

[FedLadSonOfAnfield]

As far as I can see one major change that will effect us most quickly will be to do with freedom of movement of UK citizens. Soon we will need a visa to work in Europe, possibly visit and holiday. Same for EU citizens coming into the UK. This is what it's all been about, putting in place a control measure and barrier to at least stymie the free movement of people in and out of the country. Once they issue new passports without 'European Union' written at the top. You can kiss goodbye to your retirement plans in the Spanish mountains and your Parisian Chanel wearing girlfriend who you hoped to maybe marry. We like it British and we like it white and we like it speaking english with an english accent and we like it eating a ****ing Greggs and none of that foreign muck now people. Welcome to the curious hermit island state of North England nestled in the waters of the Atlantic just off mainland Europe with its leader with a strange hair style and its subservient population who all ride strange little bikes everywhere and are awoken at 6am everyday automatically by the TV as it barks at them Brexit! Fecksit! Brexit! Fecksit!

 

[FedLadSonOfAnfield]

And the bitter irony is, if it all goes pete tong, it will be that very demographic that will suffer the most and feel the biggest brunt of it. They always are.

Of course. You think Johnson and Gove are going to create legislation that ends up with them and their cronies worse off ?! Christ knows what we'll get if that happens. Maybe they can revive the corpse of Enoch Powell

 

[Zanjinho]

Is this by that independent "Vote Leave" organisation?
Day One and the sky hasn't caved in so there's proof we were right?

Bit early for crowing on their part.

Same for the remain voters then isn't it?


PS...remember that I sat on the fence so neither

 

[Garlic Klopp]

This is Yes Minister from 1980, weirdly accurate

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[Solid Air]

This is Yes Minister from 1980, weirdly accurate

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Yes Minister was always weirdly accurate
as well as brilliant

Still love the Yes Prime Minister episode regarding our nuclear deterrent and Hacker discussing the need for it with Sir Humphrey

Hacker "Well as i suppose we have to have it because of the russians"
Humpy " Russians - what have they got to do with it ?"
Hacker " well surely thats who we are deterring
Humpy "oh no they have 314 warheads to each one of ours"
Hacker "Well what have we got it for"
Humpy " The French of course"

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

The other parties will all vote it down

Won't happen.

Simply put I'm laughing at how leavers demand europe give then everything and vote to allow leave promptly but then deny Scotland due process.

 

[Solid Air]

The Tories have a history of using someone to oust an existing PM then voting a different person in instead of the "stalking horse". I think Boris might be in for a shock. David Davies may suddenly come into the running. It certainly won't be George Osborne

Osborne is toast he has burnt his bridges with the Eurosceptic wing of the Tory PLP.
Davies is far unlikely as by Tory standards he seems quite a reasonable fella so no way the Party as a whole will want him.
Boris Hmm - get the impression a large chunk of the PLP regard him as an amusing aside but they don't think he is a serious option only worry is pressure from the constituency parties who are normally just to the right of Genghis Khan

 

[Zanjinho]

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[moreinjuredthanowen]

This is Yes Minister from 1980, weirdly accurate

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That's ****ing brilliant.

I loved that show... it was reruns when I saw it but **** it was Ace.

Don't gets dialogue like that now.

 

[Treble]

Yes within hours we heard there was no more money for the NHS, no changes to immigration but perhaps at some point in the future we would have "more control" (whatever that means), and Boris saying "woah woah let's not be hasty now" while the EU says "there's the door **** off now".

I have to admit I find it strangely disturbing that I am agreeing with pretty much everything you've posted on the subject, like some shared common purpose. It almost makes me feel dirty

I now know what it must feel like for some reasonable person to be siding with Michael Gove and Nigel Farage!!

 

[saintanton]

Same for the remain voters then isn't it?


PS...remember that I sat on the fence so neither

The remain aren't doing the crowing though are they? They/we are just moaning.
The repercussions of this decision, good and bad, will manifest themselves over the next few years. It's stupid to say "Look, everything's ok" after a day.

 

[saintanton]

You might feel it's a civic duty to vote but old people engage in political discussions the least of anyone so you (not personally) don't bother learning about the issue first.

Another sweeping statement.
Got any facts with that?

 

[Solid Air]

That's ****ing brilliant.

I loved that show... it was reruns when I saw it but **** it was Ace.

Don't gets dialogue like that now.

I have the books (basically the scripts with a few asides added ) and even now i still get them out everynow and then and in between laughing realise fundamentally how much hasn't changed in the near 40 year gap.

I remember watching the Christmas special in 85 ,on a borrowed 6 inch B&W tele we had borrowed off a mate ,having just moved in with my GF (now wife) .

just read that back and it reads a bit like th4 Yorkshiremen sketch which wasn't the intention

 

[afcftw]

Won't happen.

Simply put I'm laughing at how leavers demand europe give then everything and vote to allow leave promptly but then deny Scotland due process.

I bet it will, the other parties aren't in favour of a referendum as they don't support pulling out of the U.K. Last time around they only voted the bill through as the SNP had a majority and therefor the vote in the Scottish Parliament was a formality. Without that majority the other parties will oppose a referendum.

The vote was also only put to the Scottish Parliament after an agreement with the U.K. Government that allowed the referendum to become a legal process, as it stands there is no way that agreement will be made before Cameron steps down and an incoming PM will be prioritising EU negotiations. The U.K. Government would have no interest in making it a quick process, so even if it appeared the SNP had convinced other parties to back there proposal it wouldn't simply be a straightforward process.

There are several hurdles in the way of getting a referendum for Scottish independance and even then I expect the referendum would go the same way as last time.

I wouldn't deny Scotland anything, Scotland had its chance to leave and chose to stay. As a Brit of Scottish and English heritage I was very pleased with the decision last time around as I identify strongly with both nations and felt it was the right decision for Scotland. As things currently stand the union is even more important to Scotland than it was then.

 

[saintanton]

Yes within hours we heard there was no more money for the NHS, no changes to immigration but perhaps at some point in the future we would have "more control" (whatever that means), and Boris saying "woah woah let's not be hasty now" while the EU says "there's the door **** off now".

The only good thing from this is that if he reneges on all the promises that carried him to victory those who supported him might see how they were conned and it may prevent him from furthering his career.
Hopefully.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I bet it will, the other parties aren't in favour of a referendum as they don't support pulling out of the U.K. Last time around they only voted the bill through as the SNP had a majority and therefor the vote in the Scottish Parliament was a formality. Without that majority the other parties will oppose a referendum.

The vote was also only put to the Scottish Parliament after an agreement with the U.K. Government that allowed the referendum to become a legal process, as it stands there is no way that agreement will be made before Cameron steps down and an incoming PM will be prioritising EU negotiations. The U.K. Government would have no interest in making it a quick process, so even if it appeared the SNP had convinced other parties to back there proposal it wouldn't simply be a straightforward process.

There are several hurdles in the way of getting a referendum for Scottish independance and even then I expect the referendum would go the same way as last time.

I wouldn't deny Scotland anything, Scotland had its chance to leave and chose to stay. As a Brit of Scottish and English heritage I was very pleased with the decision last time around as I identify strongly with both nations and felt it was the right decision for Scotland. As things currently stand the union is even more important to Scotland than it was then.

You've missed the legal framework. Clear and substantial change in circumstance. I think they'll put the required legislation in for another quick smart.

The greens on their own plus SNP is enough to pass it.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I bet it will, the other parties aren't in favour of a referendum as they don't support pulling out of the U.K. Last time around they only voted the bill through as the SNP had a majority and therefor the vote in the Scottish Parliament was a formality. Without that majority the other parties will oppose a referendum.

The vote was also only put to the Scottish Parliament after an agreement with the U.K. Government that allowed the referendum to become a legal process, as it stands there is no way that agreement will be made before Cameron steps down and an incoming PM will be prioritising EU negotiations. The U.K. Government would have no interest in making it a quick process, so even if it appeared the SNP had convinced other parties to back there proposal it wouldn't simply be a straightforward process.

There are several hurdles in the way of getting a referendum for Scottish independance and even then I expect the referendum would go the same way as last time.

I wouldn't deny Scotland anything, Scotland had its chance to leave and chose to stay. As a Brit of Scottish and English heritage I was very pleased with the decision last time around as I identify strongly with both nations and felt it was the right decision for Scotland. As things currently stand the union is even more important to Scotland than it was then.

Another point.

At least scotland went remain.

Wales voted leave.

Pretty soon when the more equitable regional development funds ends and it's uk only and Wales and Scotland become the poor relations.. they'll regret it.

Scotland can leave and beg to join eu.

 

[Garlic Klopp]

Osborne is toast he has burnt his bridges with the Eurosceptic wing of the Tory PLP.
Davies is far unlikely as by Tory standards he seems quite a reasonable fella so no way the Party as a whole will want him.
Boris Hmm - get the impression a large chunk of the PLP regard him as an amusing aside but they don't think he is a serious option only worry is pressure from the constituency parties who are normally just to the right of Genghis Khan

It might not be Davies, but I have a sneaking feeling it will not be Boris