i can't find anything that says anything but the only element not sent is the rebate
Off Topic YOUR VOTE COUNTED...
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Actually I miscalculated, the £10m a week is net back but when comparing it to the "£350m" we sent I should have used the full amount back, which is about £28m a week.
It's getting up there. Can't see it changing anything but it's a little bit of hope for those still stunned by yesterday's result. I hope it triggers another referendum although I'm not sure if the legal conditions about turnout percentage and the percentage of the victory margin it cites are actually true
Honestly, I don't think Leave expected to win. Johnson and Gove have looked ghostly when confronted by the press in the last 24 hours. And the voters, I think a lot of them went Leave thinking it would be a protest vote, the status quo would stay the same, i.e. we'd stay in Europe, but the point would have been made about the country's discontent and desire for reform and that reform would be triggered. Instead they've actually won. And there's no contingency plan
Further to this, I've looked into it.
Saint you are old for this board but in this discussion when the media refer to old in this context they mean pensioners
and you can't be a pensioner cos it's almost impossible to become one now as some bastard keeps moving the finishing line
According to the Office for National Statistics, in 2014 18% of the population were over 65 , so how come the old duffers are getting the blame?
More scapegoating methinks.
Those dissatisfied with the referendum result should be looking at least as much to what people didn't do as to what they did do
because us older folk feel it is almost a civic duty too vote unlike some/many younger folk. When people moan about political decisions that effect them i always check if they voted and if the reply was negative my view is "well stop whinging and next time go to your polling station"
Can I just add to that, that I'm getting pissed off with this spin that somehow this was a win for the "poor and working classes" against the "rich and distant establishment". There were plenty of poor and working class people who voted Remain. To wittle it down to a stupid soundbite is patronising bollox.
Yep. Higher than the last two general elections but still 30% of the electorate didn't bother showing, over a quarter of those eligible. Not saying how they would have voted either way, but it reflects an apathy or disengagement.
My own view? If you're apathetic like that might as well have voted remain to keep the status quo you're not engaging with, rather than not voting at all
You might feel it's a civic duty to vote but old people engage in political discussions the least of anyone so you (not personally) don't bother learning about the issue first.
This^
almost all the major Brexit campaigners look totally confused about what happens next. It seems fairly clear no plans were made after the vote as they didn't expect to need them. I have to say if i had voted "Leave" i would be a bit peeved to hear from the Brexit camp " oh nothing will change for years" "oh well immigration won't be going down" (paraphrased not direct quotes ) as why the hell did i bother voting
then.
I was surprised in the first place that a supermajority wasn't required since the consequences and actions to leave are massively greater than remaining.
Absolutely. Plenty of disadvantaged or lesser off voted Remain. I know some of these people. And to call it a 'win' for those people on the lower rung is nonsense, they've been convinced to betray their own values by conniving elitist right wingers who have portrayed Leave as some kind of victory and watershed moment for the poor/working class and others who voted that way. All they've done is betray themselves and the rest of the country by handing power to a couple of goons even further right than any recent Conservative government and who are even further away from traditional Socialist or leftist working class values than Cameron's Centrist outfit
Yes within hours we heard there was no more money for the NHS, no changes to immigration but perhaps at some point in the future we would have "more control" (whatever that means), and Boris saying "woah woah let's not be hasty now" while the EU says "there's the door **** off now".