Off Topic YOUR VOTE COUNTED...

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Not if you buy **** from eBay ;-)

Again... the official law is all items over a nominal duty are subject to duty and vat...

Irrespective of joking about.

If a guy imports oranges from Spain say just made up. There's a vat rate to be paid on sale. Not as well as said vat rate there will be a duty rate... can the guy importing take the hit... probably not... so guess who pays?

So.... by all means get negotiating. But don't be shocked there not a one size fits all answer cos I am sure for every orange that's simple enough there's a potato or strawberry or some such one of the 27 want to screw us over so they can make more money. The devil will be in the detail.

Imo the grand gamble here was

A) Boris never thought he'd win. He thought he was seeding the ground for the leadership in 2 years as was coming anyway.

B) the hope is the eu are so desperate they will do a deal on a special status for the uk as the hokey cokey state of Europe.

 

[DirtyFrank]

I get what Diego meant...we currently trade in things like Iphones ps4's etc and know we pay a significant mark up compared to Asia or US...but we still buy it. I assume that agreement is currently tI'd in to EU trade agreements...but we will still buy it even with an increase...

Luxury goods are a bit of a red herring though as prestige comes into the purchase psychology.

It will come down to literally the meat and two veg....food wood steel...constituent parts selling and buying...commodities... these are the real trading deals that fuel an economy...

 

[Diego]

May be I am bitter but I honestly think that some Leave voters fell for the Brexiteers lies hook line and sinker. Lies around the money paid to the EU, lies about the prosperity after Brexit, lies about Turkey. Many voters have apparently been shocked by the instant effect of the vote result. "We didn't expect that. The pound and stock market fall, etc"

I find it depressing that such a massive earth shattering decision could have been made on the basis of untruths, hype, and emotion. And again the old gits have shafted the youngsters, after having benefitted massively from free utility shares, free university education, early retirement age, final salary and tax free savings pensions. And now they are leaving a country which is isolated, and deeply divided and soon to be broken into 4 separate bits.

You do realise that disappeared while we are part of the EU?

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

TBF this is day -7 or something, we haven't invoked Article 50 yet though Europe are already heckling us to get a move on and **** off already.

The reality is article 50 is a sword of damocles we can hold over them for a while but that is only good until we actually inform them. The minute it goes formal the power switches to them.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

You ask what misleading scaremongering and then manage to include some if it within the rest of your post. The markets have dropped but not by the catastrophic levels predicted. We haven't started world war 3 yet, ISIS haven't started celebrating in the streets at our now defunct security services etc... And as for Scotland, NI and Gibraltar looking to leave that's a load of rubbish. Yes the SNP are sabre ratting but even the smallest amount of research will show it is a very, very unlikely scenario for them to leave. I haven't looked into the NI situation but I'm pretty sure economically they aren't in a position to go for independance and Gibraltar haven't asked for independance, the Spanish authorities have seized on the vote to suggest dual sovereignty.

Scotland will do it.

They only need effect legislation in a near dominant single party Parliament to go.

NI frank says have no idea

And Gibraltar are a who the **** really cares

 

[DirtyFrank]

Better hope the Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013 is one of the EU directives that survives Brexit then

Well this is the thing..all eu directives, sorry statutory directives had to pass as UK legislation...they may have been passed unopposed due to EU agreements but they are now UK law.

It will take an actual Westminster act to repeal it...unless we are saying exit means an automatic repeal of all EU law passed through parliament over 40 years? Which sounds a lot more simple than the legal maze we were warned would hit us?

It was a example of some remain bullshit...that somehow this would all disappear..what they meant was they think a tory govt would actively try to reverse such legislation...that may be true but it can be challenged by the opposition, Lords and ultimately the electorate under our system...which is what Brexit was arguing...decided in our own parliament and decisions judged by our own electorate...

 

[carlthejackal]

You do realise that disappeared while we are part of the EU?

May be but my point was that we went to University free, received generous grants which didn't need to be paid back whereas today's youngsters leave university with massive debts, and joining the ranks of people who will only buy their own house when they are 50. Especially if they live in London.

 

[DirtyFrank]

The reality is article 50 is a sword of damocles we can hold over them for a while but that is only good until we actually inform them. The minute it goes formal the power switches to them.

Unless they've started to implode....

 

[Diego]

OK. Ignoring that a UK company isn't going to magically create a phone better and cheaper than Apple (Samsung is South Korean BTW), what about stuff like fruits, wine? Are we going to cut them out of our diet? Or continue buying them for 15% more than yesterday? i.e. we are 15% poorer (or 7.5% because it's only 50% imports) than yesterday. And that's before considering the tax rate increase, petrol price increase etc. that are on the books.

I know, that's why I mentioned them (not part of the EU)
We do actually grow some fruit ourselves and import others from outside the EU (bananas for egs)
Australian and American wine seems to be selling quite well in England at the moment

 

[afcftw]

Scotland will do it.

They only need effect legislation in a near dominant single party Parliament to go.

NI frank says have no idea

And Gibraltar are a who the **** really cares

1)a)SNP do not have a majority in the Scottish Parliament and as such any attempt to push for another referendum will be blocked by the other SMPs who do not want to leave the union.
b) Scottish elections happened in May so it's another five years before the SNP can attempt to gain a majority by which point we could have a different government, we could have deals in place with the EU etc...
2) Even if by some miracle they manage to get the legislation through the Scottish Parliament, they then need to get a Tory government who have already given them a recent referendum (where they voted to stay) and who have just had a referendum backfire on them, to approve the result of said Scottish referendum. There is no chance the Tory leadership will allow themselves to be known as the party who pulled out of the EU and then allowed Scotland to leave the UK
3) a) if they manage to achieve the above unlikely scenarios they then need to actually get a vote of independance in the referendum. A million more people voted in the last Scottish referendum compared to this EU referendum so clearly it is more important to the Scottish people to be part of our union than the European one.
b) the last Scottish referendum failed to put forward an economic plan that the Scottish people had confidence in and since then oil prices have dropped to below half the 2014 price and are more volatile, quite simply put the economics of a Scottish exit don't work.

It isn't going to happen no matter how much the SNP sabre rattle.

We are not about to see the breakdown of the U.K., it's complete rubbish.

 

[DirtyFrank]

Scotland will do it.

They only need effect legislation in a near dominant single party Parliament to go.

NI frank says have no idea

And Gibraltar are a who the **** really cares

NI aren't moving at mo is what I said..there will be no agreement to the structure of a referendum to decide the border question...unionists will insist on NI only ref...Nationalists will insist on all Ireland ref...it's why it didn't happen during the peace process...we all voted not to think about it..

Economically? We can't be independent...

It was joked about earlier but maybe some 3 tier agreement with Scotland Ireland and NI would be attractive to the EU...why rule anything out lol

 

[Diego]

May be but my point was that we went to University free, received generous grants which didn't need to be paid back whereas today's youngsters leave university with massive debts, and joining the ranks of people who will only buy their own house when they are 50. Especially if they live in London.

Again, all done whilst part of the EU, blame past governments for that by all means but don't hint that it would have been worse without EU membership.

 

[astro]

Let's see what Day Two brings then, is there anything left for Leave to [HASHTAG]#backpedal[/HASHTAG] on?

 

[DirtyFrank]

Again, all done whilst part of the EU, blame past governments for that by all means but don't hint that it would have been worse without EU membership.

I don't know the answer but what are/were the financial arrangements of European students at European universities...

I know our unis make a **** load put of Asian and US enrollment...can't see that changing unless a domestic govt kills the specific universities...

 

[philo beddoe]

Scotland will do it.

They only need effect legislation in a near dominant single party Parliament to go.

NI frank says have no idea

And Gibraltar are a who the **** really cares

Scotland would undoubtably have had a referendum at some point if we stayed in anyway. Not sure that Jimmy Krankie will push for it too soon given that they will be reliant on the Bank of England in a shared currency deal and also the fact that Scotland will be suffering from voter fatigue.

Even if Northern Ireland held a referendum it is not a given that the Republic would want them. As for Gibralter I think Spain are being a bit mischievous that's all

 

[DirtyFrank]

Let's see what Day Two brings then, is there anything left for Leave to [HASHTAG]#backpedal[/HASHTAG] on?

TBF...it's the curse of the winner...if remain had won we'd be waiting for the EU not to pass the pitiful negotiations of Cameron...

 

[astro]

I don't know the answer but what are/were the financial arrangements of European students at European universities...

I know our unis make a **** load put of Asian and US enrollment...can't see that changing unless a domestic govt kills the specific universities...

They come because the UK universities have a massive reputation for world class research. A huge part of that research is funded by and/or in collaboration with Europe.

Either the government needs a massive increase in funding, or UK students will be ****ed by fees similar to US universities i.e. a lifetime of debt.

 

[DirtyFrank]

They come because the UK universities have a massive reputation for world class research. A huge part of that research is funded by and/or in collaboration with Europe.

Either the government needs a massive increase in funding, or UK students will be ****ed by fees similar to US universities i.e. a lifetime of debt.

But foreign students are a commercial not educational factor to our govt...and it's the top universities they come to..can't see any govt messing with that.

Research collaboration will continue..feck sake we are barely talking to Russia and we work with them in space research...

In fact...let's be honest...R&D surely has to be given more priority in a Brexit scenario since we have to develop our economy...and if the current govt doesn't prioritise then we can vote them out....

 

[Diego]

I don't know the answer but what are/were the financial arrangements of European students at European universities...

I know our unis make a **** load put of Asian and US enrollment...can't see that changing unless a domestic govt kills the specific universities...

No idea to be honest, I do know I have a son-in-law with thousands of pounds worth of debt for his university education though

Cant really see a domestic government killing the best Uni's, they haven't managed/wanted to do that so far.

 

[astro]

But foreign students are a commercial not educational factor to our govt...and it's the top universities they come to..can't see any govt messing with that.

Research collaboration will continue..feck sake we are barely talking to Russia and we work with them in space research...

In fact...let's be honest...R&D surely has to be given more priority in a Brexit scenario since we have to develop our economy...and if the current govt doesn't prioritise then we can vote them out....

Even a single term of a government that doesn't prioritise research could then take another 20 years to fix and get back to square one