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[moreinjuredthanowen]

Scotland would undoubtably have had a referendum at some point if we stayed in anyway. Not sure that Jimmy Krankie will push for it too soon given that they will be reliant on the Bank of England in a shared currency deal and also the fact that Scotland will be suffering from voter fatigue.

Even if Northern Ireland held a referendum it is not a given that the Republic would want them. As for Gibralter I think Spain are being a bit mischievous that's all

Probably on Scotland but I felt it was 10/20 years min.

I will bet you the SNP will go all in and say they'll adopt the euro etc.

NI problem is they can't agree on anything. There is zero chance of a united ireland. They would even bottle going on their own as a minor eu state.

As I said who cares about Gibralter.... nobody.

 

[Diego]

They come because the UK universities have a massive reputation for world class research. A huge part of that research is funded by and/or in collaboration with Europe.

Either the government needs a massive increase in funding, or UK students will be ****ed by fees similar to US universities i.e. a lifetime of debt.

They already are

 

[philo beddoe]

Probably on Scotland but I felt it was 10/20 years min.

I will bet you the SNP will go all in and say they'll adopt the euro etc.

NI problem is they can't agree on anything. There is zero chance of a united ireland. They would even bottle going on their own as a minor eu state.

As I said who cares about Gibralter.... nobody.

Scotland would not be a net contributor to the EU budget so I can't see the attraction of letting them in, coupled with the fact that many EU countries will be less inclined to encourage break away movements given their own related problems with countries like Spain.

 

[DirtyFrank]

Even a single term of a government that doesn't prioritise research could then take another 20 years to fix and get back to square one

I agree...but then they've done that while in the EU in favour of finance and service sectors.

So four more years if we think the Tories won't step up? (If no election before that) then we vote them out...and if we don't then it's like all the Remainers that didn't turn up yesterday...we deserve what we get...

 

[DirtyFrank]

Probably on Scotland but I felt it was 10/20 years min.

I will bet you the SNP will go all in and say they'll adopt the euro etc.

NI problem is they can't agree on anything. There is zero chance of a united ireland. They would even bottle going on their own as a minor eu state.

As I said who cares about Gibralter.... nobody.

We bottle agreeing a budget for 2 years lol

 

[afcftw]

Probably on Scotland but I felt it was 10/20 years min.

I will bet you the SNP will go all in and say they'll adopt the euro etc.

NI problem is they can't agree on anything. There is zero chance of a united ireland. They would even bottle going on their own as a minor eu state.

As I said who cares about Gibralter.... nobody.

There was no appetite for adopting the euro at the last referendum amongst voters and don't see why that would change now. And overall it's more important to Scotland to be part of the U.K. than the EU. At worst the situation will be that the UK government guarantees the funding Scotland currently gets from the EU to settle them down.

 

[afcftw]

Scotland would not be a net contributor to the EU budget so I can't see the attraction of letting them in, coupled with the fact that many EU countries will be less inclined to encourage break away movements given their own related problems with countries like Spain.

Yeah getting accepted into the EU wouldn't be nearly as easy for them as a solo country as the SNP like to make out

 

[Treble]

Undoubtedly this^
I have no desire to see the country go down the pan just so I can say "told you so". I do fear the worst, but like you I hope to be proven wrong, though I wonder if the Leavers will hold their hands up and apologise if it does all go pear-shaped?
I still think there are things to do though, we could stop it getting worse by helping ensure that lunatics like Farage and Johnson get no more power than they already have.

This was exactly my next thought. It's so important that Johnson and Gove are not Prime Minister and cabinet minister months from now. I for one don't trust either as far as I can throw them. They're already backpeddling from the lies they were promising just 36 hours ago. I am sure they have their right wing agenda and that includes the NHS and schools. Can you also imagine what a complete balls up they'll make of the renegotiation for exiting the EU.

 

[afcftw]

This was exactly my next thought. It's so important that Johnson and Gove are not Prime Minister and cabinet minister months from now. I for one don't trust either as far as I can throw them. They're already backpeddling from the lies they were promising just 36 hours ago. I am sure they have their right wing agenda and that includes the NHS and schools. Can you also imagine what a complete balls up they'll make of the renegotiation for exiting the EU.

With Cameron stepping aside it appears Boris is the natural successor given the potential candidates and their popularity and positions within the party and it is highly likely Gove will be given a top position within Boris cabinet, he might even give him Osbournes job..

Nothing we can do as voters about that until 2020 when we will have the opportunity to remove them. If Corbyn manages to survive that long though I think Boris could probably win an election, though I doubt Corbyn will last very long given the current political landscape.

 

[Treble]

With Cameron stepping aside it appears Boris is the natural successor given the potential candidates and their popularity and positions within the party and it is highly likely Gove will be given a top position within Boris cabinet, he might even give him Osbournes job..

Nothing we can do as voters about that until 2020 when we will have the opportunity to remove them. If Corbyn manages to survive that long though I think Boris could probably win an election, though I doubt Corbyn will last very long given the current political landscape.

That's not necessarily the case with the Tories. Michael Hesseltine seemed the natural successor to Thatcher but Tories don't seem to like voting for the guy who twisted the knife. I bet there are many Tories who may have got into bed with Johnson for a shared common purpose against the EU, but in all other ways may have a serious dislike for him, particularly the "establishment". Gove is just a sniveling runt who was bullied too much in the toilets of the public school he attended.

Best case scenario... DAVID DAVIES - A "Leave" campaigner and a proper politician with some modicom of common decency! Ideal for the Tories to get behind collectively and tbh someone who will do a damn sight better job of getting the economy and our exit from the EU properly on track.

 

[DirtyFrank]

What are the odds on Priti Patel? Maybe too young bit shes:

A woman
Brexiteer
Ethnic


If they want to distance themselves from the whole racist man love of the campaign...and it she wasn't as prominent as Gove or Johnson in Knifing Cameron...

Must look it up in bookies lol...

 

[afcftw]

That's not necessarily the case with the Tories. Michael Hesseltine seemed the natural successor to Thatcher but Tories don't seem to like voting for the guy who twisted the knife. I bet there are many Tories who may have got into bed with Johnson for a shared common purpose against the EU, but in all other ways may have a serious dislike for him, particularly the "establishment". Gove is just a sniveling runt who was bullied too much in the toilets of the public school he attended.

Best case scenario... DAVID DAVIES - A "Leave" campaigner and a proper politician with some modicom of common decency! Ideal for the Tories to get behind collectively and tbh someone who will do a damn sight better job of getting the economy and our exit from the EU properly on track.

For me the best option would be Jacob Rees-Mogg - absolute legend of a politician, but I don't think he would want the job, he's more of a "get on with doing a proper job as an MP" type politician than a front end lead the way and say the popular thing to win an election type which most leaders of political parties seem to have an element of. He's not a hugely charismatic person in the way you'd expect a leader to be, but he is my favourite conservative MP for sure.

 

[carlthejackal]

Again, all done whilst part of the EU, blame past governments for that by all means but don't hint that it would have been worse without EU membership.

I was only comparing the good fortune of the old when they were at university with the hardships of today's young rather than merits of the EU.

 

[Diego]

I was only comparing the good fortune of the old when they were at university with the hardships of today's young rather than merits of the EU.

Yep, fair enough


EDIT.........I edited this answer because after I read it I didn't think it conveyed what I really meant to say

 

[carlthejackal]

What are the odds on Priti Patel? Maybe too young bit shes:

A woman
Brexiteer
Ethnic


If they want to distance themselves from the whole racist man love of the campaign...and it she wasn't as prominent as Gove or Johnson in Knifing Cameron...

Must look it up in bookies lol...

Amazing praise from Boris and Gove for Cameron today. Great pm , lots of dignity, good judgement and leader of men etc. All the vitriol that was being flung onto him only a day before before now forgotten:" he is deluded, demented, scare mongering, peddling lies, exaggerating and promoting fear etc."

The capacity of politicians to change their opinions at short notice to the exact opposite never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Diego]

Amazing praise from Boris and Gove for Cameron today. Great pm , lots of dignity, good judgement and leader of men etc. All the vitriol that was being flung only a few hours before now forgotten: deluded, demented, scare mongering, peddling lies, exaggerating and promoting fear etc.

The capacity of politicians to change their opinions at short notice never ceases to amaze me.

TBF I think his leaving speech today is the best I have ever seen him perform. If he had been as honest and forthright throughout his campaign he may have swung a remain vote.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

OK. Ignoring that a UK company isn't going to magically create a phone better and cheaper than Apple (Samsung is South Korean BTW), what about stuff like fruits, wine? Are we going to cut them out of our diet? Or continue buying them for 15% more than yesterday? i.e. we are 15% poorer (or 7.5% because it's only 50% imports) than yesterday. And that's before considering the tax rate increase, petrol price increase etc. that are on the books.

THE IRONY IS HERE IS THAT IF WE STILL HAD A DECENT MANUFACTURING BASE IT COULD BENEFIT FROM THE NOW HUGE GAP THAT WILL BE OPENING UP BY THE HUGE HIKE ON IMPORTED GOODS THAT A FREEFALLING POUND WILL CREATE. BUT THANKS TO ****S LIKE THATCHER, MINFORD AND FRIEDMAN IN THE 80'S WE DON'T. AND THOSE RE-BADGING CAR COMPENENT ASSEMBLERS THAT WE CALL FACTORIES WILL **** OFF SOON TOO. AND THEY (BREXITERS) TURNED TO MINFORD TO SAY 'WE HAVE AN EXPERT ECONOMIST TOO'. (SORRY FOR THE CAPS - IN WORK AND THE KEYBOARD IS ****ED FOR NOW).

 

[Treble]

For me the best option would be Jacob Rees-Mogg - absolute legend of a politician, but I don't think he would want the job, he's more of a "get on with doing a proper job as an MP" type politician than a front end lead the way and say the popular thing to win an election type which most leaders of political parties seem to have an element of. He's not a hugely charismatic person in the way you'd expect a leader to be, but he is my favourite conservative MP for sure.

Actually he comes across as having some principles. He distanced himself from some of the ****e the Out campaigners were spouting and he gained a bit of respect from me during the campaign in at least trying to keep the debate honest.

But I still think David Davis is the more experienced and capable politician who imo has the courage of his convictions. His stance on not bombing foreign countries was one good example of that.

 

[Diego]

Not sure on the truth of these claims, but if even half of them are correct it places a better view on the leave vote.

http://www.betteroffout.net/the-case/10-eu-myths-about-withdrawl/

 

[Diego]

Just seen an advert by DHL for "global trading", never seen that one before, is it coincidence