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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by LuisDiazgamechanger, May 27, 2016.

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ON 23rd of June which way are you going to vote?.

Poll closed Jun 26, 2016.
  1. IN

    28 vote(s)
    43.8%
  2. OUT

    34 vote(s)
    53.1%
  3. DON'T KNOW

    4 vote(s)
    6.3%
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  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Again... the official law is all items over a nominal duty are subject to duty and vat...

    Irrespective of joking about.

    If a guy imports oranges from Spain say just made up. There's a vat rate to be paid on sale. Not as well as said vat rate there will be a duty rate... can the guy importing take the hit... probably not... so guess who pays?

    So.... by all means get negotiating. But don't be shocked there not a one size fits all answer cos I am sure for every orange that's simple enough there's a potato or strawberry or some such one of the 27 want to screw us over so they can make more money. The devil will be in the detail.

    Imo the grand gamble here was

    A) Boris never thought he'd win. He thought he was seeding the ground for the leadership in 2 years as was coming anyway.

    B) the hope is the eu are so desperate they will do a deal on a special status for the uk as the hokey cokey state of Europe.
     
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  2. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    I get what Diego meant...we currently trade in things like Iphones ps4's etc and know we pay a significant mark up compared to Asia or US...but we still buy it. I assume that agreement is currently tI'd in to EU trade agreements...but we will still buy it even with an increase...

    Luxury goods are a bit of a red herring though as prestige comes into the purchase psychology.

    It will come down to literally the meat and two veg....food wood steel...constituent parts selling and buying...commodities... these are the real trading deals that fuel an economy...
     
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  3. Diego

    Diego Lone Ranger

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    You do realise that disappeared while we are part of the EU?
     
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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    The reality is article 50 is a sword of damocles we can hold over them for a while but that is only good until we actually inform them. The minute it goes formal the power switches to them.
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Scotland will do it.

    They only need effect legislation in a near dominant single party Parliament to go.

    NI frank says have no idea

    And Gibraltar are a who the **** really cares
     
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  6. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    Well this is the thing..all eu directives, sorry statutory directives had to pass as UK legislation...they may have been passed unopposed due to EU agreements but they are now UK law.

    It will take an actual Westminster act to repeal it...unless we are saying exit means an automatic repeal of all EU law passed through parliament over 40 years? Which sounds a lot more simple than the legal maze we were warned would hit us?

    It was a example of some remain bullshit...that somehow this would all disappear..what they meant was they think a tory govt would actively try to reverse such legislation...that may be true but it can be challenged by the opposition, Lords and ultimately the electorate under our system...which is what Brexit was arguing...decided in our own parliament and decisions judged by our own electorate...
     
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  7. carlthejackal

    carlthejackal Well-Known Member

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    May be but my point was that we went to University free, received generous grants which didn't need to be paid back whereas today's youngsters leave university with massive debts, and joining the ranks of people who will only buy their own house when they are 50. Especially if they live in London.
     
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  8. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    Unless they've started to implode....
     
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  9. Diego

    Diego Lone Ranger

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    I know, that's why I mentioned them (not part of the EU)
    We do actually grow some fruit ourselves and import others from outside the EU (bananas for egs)
    Australian and American wine seems to be selling quite well in England at the moment :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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  10. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    1)a)SNP do not have a majority in the Scottish Parliament and as such any attempt to push for another referendum will be blocked by the other SMPs who do not want to leave the union.
    b) Scottish elections happened in May so it's another five years before the SNP can attempt to gain a majority by which point we could have a different government, we could have deals in place with the EU etc...
    2) Even if by some miracle they manage to get the legislation through the Scottish Parliament, they then need to get a Tory government who have already given them a recent referendum (where they voted to stay) and who have just had a referendum backfire on them, to approve the result of said Scottish referendum. There is no chance the Tory leadership will allow themselves to be known as the party who pulled out of the EU and then allowed Scotland to leave the UK
    3) a) if they manage to achieve the above unlikely scenarios they then need to actually get a vote of independance in the referendum. A million more people voted in the last Scottish referendum compared to this EU referendum so clearly it is more important to the Scottish people to be part of our union than the European one.
    b) the last Scottish referendum failed to put forward an economic plan that the Scottish people had confidence in and since then oil prices have dropped to below half the 2014 price and are more volatile, quite simply put the economics of a Scottish exit don't work.

    It isn't going to happen no matter how much the SNP sabre rattle.

    We are not about to see the breakdown of the U.K., it's complete rubbish.
     
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  11. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    NI aren't moving at mo is what I said..there will be no agreement to the structure of a referendum to decide the border question...unionists will insist on NI only ref...Nationalists will insist on all Ireland ref...it's why it didn't happen during the peace process...we all voted not to think about it..

    Economically? We can't be independent...

    It was joked about earlier but maybe some 3 tier agreement with Scotland Ireland and NI would be attractive to the EU...why rule anything out lol
     
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  12. Diego

    Diego Lone Ranger

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    Again, all done whilst part of the EU, blame past governments for that by all means but don't hint that it would have been worse without EU membership.
     
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  13. astro

    astro Well-Known Member

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    Let's see what Day Two brings then, is there anything left for Leave to #backpedal on?
     
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  14. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    I don't know the answer but what are/were the financial arrangements of European students at European universities...

    I know our unis make a **** load put of Asian and US enrollment...can't see that changing unless a domestic govt kills the specific universities...
     
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  15. philo beddoe

    philo beddoe Active Member

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    Scotland would undoubtably have had a referendum at some point if we stayed in anyway. Not sure that Jimmy Krankie will push for it too soon given that they will be reliant on the Bank of England in a shared currency deal and also the fact that Scotland will be suffering from voter fatigue.

    Even if Northern Ireland held a referendum it is not a given that the Republic would want them. As for Gibralter I think Spain are being a bit mischievous that's all
     
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  16. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    TBF...it's the curse of the winner...if remain had won we'd be waiting for the EU not to pass the pitiful negotiations of Cameron...
     
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  17. astro

    astro Well-Known Member

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    They come because the UK universities have a massive reputation for world class research. A huge part of that research is funded by and/or in collaboration with Europe.

    Either the government needs a massive increase in funding, or UK students will be ****ed by fees similar to US universities i.e. a lifetime of debt.
     
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  18. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    But foreign students are a commercial not educational factor to our govt...and it's the top universities they come to..can't see any govt messing with that.

    Research collaboration will continue..feck sake we are barely talking to Russia and we work with them in space research...

    In fact...let's be honest...R&D surely has to be given more priority in a Brexit scenario since we have to develop our economy...and if the current govt doesn't prioritise then we can vote them out....
     
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  19. Diego

    Diego Lone Ranger

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    No idea to be honest, I do know I have a son-in-law with thousands of pounds worth of debt for his university education though :emoticon-0100-smile

    Cant really see a domestic government killing the best Uni's, they haven't managed/wanted to do that so far.
     
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  20. astro

    astro Well-Known Member

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    Even a single term of a government that doesn't prioritise research could then take another 20 years to fix and get back to square one
     
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