Off Topic YOUR VOTE COUNTED...

[saintanton]

Its like they said, those with nothing to lose, unemployed, council estates etc, may as well vote for change as can it get worse for them?

Possibly.
How large a proportion of the electorate are they anyway, do you think?

 

[FedLadSonOfAnfield]

Donald Tusk is saying Article 50 could take 7 years to go through. A lot can change in that time and if the EU is prepared to reform to make it a viable system then perhaps there's a chance that we don't ultimately come out

 

[DirtyFrank]

Europe is falling faster, but being bigger they'll be landing in snow

We're falling slower, onto jagged rocks

Plus halfway down Scotland says "**** this" and parachutes away from us

Really? Because their starting position yesterday was so healthy? Do you now just how bad it is in the southern states, even France?

There's no fluffy pillows there mate!

 

[astro]

Donald Tusk is saying Article 50 could take 7 years to go through. A lot can change in that time and if the EU is prepared to reform to make it a viable system then perhaps there's a chance that we don't ultimately come out

Unlikely, that would mean 7 years of us paying the bill for Europe with zero negotiating power. Like telling your boss you quit then paying him to let you work for free.

Europe have made it clear they want us out ASAP, and anything more than 2 years would need their agreement.

They want us to start closer to next week than October.

 

[FedLadSonOfAnfield]

He's trying to say leavers are uneducated racists without saying the actual words mate

Perhaps. But you can't call these people who voted Leave progressive, open-minded cosmopolitans can you?! The whole purpose of education is to broaden minds and encourage people to accept and understand cultures different to their own, so in that sense you might call them uneducated. And there are certainly racists amongst their number, mixed in with a large number of xenophobics (different principles to racists) and very fearful people, more likely to find them there than on the Remain side anyway

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Scotland aren't going anywhere. Firstly the SNP don't have a majority in the Scottish Parliament so won't manage to pass the call for a new referendum, secondly they would need approval from the uk government for it to be a binding referendum which they won't get having had a referendum so recently, thirdly the economics of Scottish independance don't work, they were previously based on strong, stable oil prices which are now volatile and less than half the price they were before.

Then if you also take into consideration that a million more people voted in the Scottish independance referendum, with the result of staying, than voted in this eu referendum you'd have to come to the conclusion that there is more interest in staying as part of the U.K. than as part of Europe, so the grounds simply aren't there for a referendum.

You're wrong. Well you're right on the Scottish parliament, but Scottish Labour would be insane not to side with a populist SNP move for a referendum knowing that at the next Scottish parliament elections they'd be hosed. Sturgeon will get her majority sooner or later. And as yesterday proved, don't always rely on logical arguments about things like oil to overcome flag-waving and jingoism.

 

[afcftw]

It's in everyone's best interest to get a deal in place quickly and that's exactly what will happen.

 

[afcftw]

You're wrong. Well you're right on the Scottish parliament, but Scottish Labour would be insane not to side with a populist SNP move for a referendum knowing that at the next Scottish parliament elections they'd be hosed. Sturgeon will get her majority sooner or later. And as yesterday proved, don't always rely on logical arguments about things like oil to overcome flag-waving and jingoism.

They've just had elections in Scotland, by the time the next ones come around the landscape could be very different and many of the fears about a brexit eased. Scottish labour won't support a move that could result in pulling out of the Union. So she can wait until the next elections and then try to get a majority which she failed last time around, then try and get uk government approval and then try for a referendum. Last time one of the key reasons Scotland stayed in the uk was down to the economic plan by those wanting to leave not being believed to be strong enough, and as I've said on the current oil prices and volatility it is hugely far away from working anymore.

The idea of Scotland leaving the UK in the near future is just sabre rattling from the SNP.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

What's happened has happened. Prob mean **** all difference for at least 2 years and probably bigger all will happen after that anyway. We vote for a new PM every few years who promise different things and I've never noticed a difference so meh

 

[afcftw]

Perhaps. But you can't call these people who voted Leave progressive, open-minded cosmopolitans can you?! The whole purpose of education is to broaden minds and encourage people to accept and understand cultures different to their own, so in that sense you might call them uneducated. And there are certainly racists amongst their number, mixed in with a large number of xenophobics (different principles to racists) and very fearful people, more likely to find them there than on the Remain side anyway

"These people" - as if all people who voted out can be generalised under one set of criteria. I'd like to think I'm open minded, progressive and had a good education and I'm certainly not a racist, but I voted to leave.

 

[saintanton]

Haven't a clue mate. But I do know that relying on the finance sector has caused a lot of the issues that got us here...relying on the whims and gambles of millionaires playing global poker knowing we would pick up the tab.

A centralised political class that removed itself from the people to suck on the finance tit.

Industrialisation was a literal explosion in terms of time...got to stop looking back and saying...we've lost this...we no longer do that..it's done. Does it mean we can't decide to reintroduce certain manufacturing or other industries...tech? It won't look like the glory days and trying to go back to that will fail expensively..

We've turned a bit whiney as a people...always reasons something can't be done...why we can't compete with x y z..

Got to start somewhere...I'll be of no help there I'm not a pioneer of tech industry or whatever ...other than getting trained and job in what comes from it.

Not remotely saying it'll be painless or easy but what else do we do?

Bankers and industrialists join politicians as the most hated people on the planet and doubtless few would have any sympathy for them.
However, if one in the eye for them actually brings the whole shebang down around our ears what has anyone gained?

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

"These people" - as if all people who voted out can be generalised under one set of criteria. I'd like to think I'm open minded, progressive and had a good education and I'm certainly not a racist, but I voted to leave.

You always vote for Danilo in the Mafia games... Racist

 

[saintanton]

What's happened has happened. Prob mean **** all difference for at least 2 years and probably bigger all will happen after that anyway. We vote for a new PM every few years who promise different things and I've never noticed a difference so meh

So you don't accept that this is bigger than our 5 year merry-go-round?
You really haven't been paying attention, have you?

 

[DirtyFrank]

Bankers and industrialists join politicians as the most hated people on the planet and doubtless few would have any sympathy for them.
However, if one in the eye for them actually brings the whole shebang down around our ears what has anyone gained?

I'm not saying abandon it altogether. But they will stay or go where they make the most money..EU no EU..I'm also not saying demonise them but shift away from so heavy a reliance...if doom is true they are going anyway so we have to plan an economy with that in mind anyway...

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

So you don't accept that this is bigger than our 5 year merry-go-round?
You really haven't been paying attention, have you?

Who knows Saint who knows. Like I said, no one knows what the future holds. It may be good it may be bad.

End of the day, only live once so just enjoy the ride and not get too stressed and worries about things out of your control

Being in or out of EU won't change or stop me doing what I like doing day to day so

 

[The Ides of March]

Time for Liverpool to declare its independence from the UK as you guys have nothing in common with the new wave of Tories that are going to form the next Government. While Cameron was bad, his successor is going to be a hell of a lot worse. God we need a Harold Wilson ... best post-war PM by a country wide mile.

 

[Zanjinho]

Perhaps. But you can't call these people who voted Leave progressive, open-minded cosmopolitans can you?! The whole purpose of education is to broaden minds and encourage people to accept and understand cultures different to their own, so in that sense you might call them uneducated. And there are certainly racists amongst their number, mixed in with a large number of xenophobics (different principles to racists) and very fearful people, more likely to find them there than on the Remain side anyway

The point is you shouldn't be calling them anything. They have as much right as anyone else to vote as they please and deserve respect no matter how they've voted!

I'll accept there are racists amongst the ranks but that doesn't apply to everyone.

I didn't vote but if I had I'd have probably gone with leave purely based on population numbers. I have no issue with multi national areas etc, I live in one. What I don't like is having to wait four weeks for a doctor's appointment or queuing for am hour to buy a packet of chewing gum! (I know it won't solve it) Not to mention the absolute pigs ear the "remain" camp made of the campaign

The reason I didn't vote is because I didn't feel it knew enough about the consequences and I still don't. But others claiming this, that and the other will happen is just ridiculous when politicians have said they don't know.

 

[DirtyFrank]

Who knows Saint who knows. Like I said, no one knows what the future holds. It may be good it may be bad.

End of the day, only live once so just enjoy the ride and not get too stressed and worries about things out of your control

Being in or out of EU won't change or stop me doing what I like doing day to day so

You won't have as many high end eastern European escorts popping in and out

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

IBWT has a german car.... i think his car should be deported immediately. he should be made drive a biritsh car... like an old rover or maybe a morgan

 

[DirtyFrank]

Don't tend to drink European wine (favour new world) or beer either...so I'm OK!

Thank God for the rise of micro breweries...