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ON 23rd of June which way are you going to vote?.

  • IN

    Votes: 28 43.8%

  • OUT

    Votes: 34 53.1%

  • DON'T KNOW

    Votes: 4 6.3%
  • Total voters
    64
  • Poll closed .
Expect to hear a lot from EU leaders supposedly taking a hard line....it's bluster to try and quash anti EU sentiment within their own countries...I've already heard them saying there will be no delay..not waiting for Tory leadership election etc..maybe I missed it but what can they do if we don't invoke the article straight away? Continue to yap??

When the actual negotiations take place it'll be the usual battle of self interest.

It'll be another good reason not to push the button too soon...let them shout and yell about us being bastards, then they can calm down and get on with the real deals.
 
DirtyFrank said:
Asked the same..been trying to find some as a lot of people including press are jumping on this.

Obviously the point holds for anyone under 18.

But I want to see a breakdown not only of Remain/leave split but age breakdowns of who voted compared to split of % of population who COULD vote...

As I said...I'll not feel sorry for any age group that had a low turn out.
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Yes if there is a huge difference in turnout. But old people should still know better than 18 year olds.

Old people's entire life has benefitted from the ties with Europe. Now they have their home and pension they say **** the young I'll live out my last years knowing people won't have the same benefits I had. It's like Blair kicking out the ladder of free education once he'd finished climbing it.
 
Anyone who is in France for Euro 2016, stay there and try to get asylum

Don't come back, country's ****ed

Or, if you all pool your euros together you could probably buy the UK by the end of the week
 
le astrotednaut said:
Yes if there is a huge difference in turnout. But old people should still know better than 18 year olds.

Old people's entire life has benefitted from the ties with Europe. Now they have their home and pension they say **** the young I'll live out my last years knowing people won't have the same benefits I had. It's like Blair kicking out the ladder of free education once he'd finished climbing it.
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Again, proof? Because this isn't true of the people I know (of various ages). If anything, it's more the reverse.
This sort of lazy pigeon-holing is one of the reasons we're in this mess. Pick out a whole group of people, tar them with the same brush, and then blame them for everything.
We need to do better than this.
It all depends on what the perception of old is, but by any reasonable measure the young still outnumber the old, so why didn't they get out and vote, rather than whining about it?
 
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I am so ****ing annoyed with the arrogant pr1ck that is Jean Claude juncker. On the eve of a sensitive emotional and really tight vote, he declares that Britain will not get an ounce f extra concession after the referendum. Now if you were undecided and you were prepared to stay to fight to reform the EU, you would say: "**** it. There is no chance of reform. Let's get out"

I hope he is now happy!
 
le astrotednaut said:
Yes if there is a huge difference in turnout. But old people should still know better than 18 year olds.

Old people's entire life has benefitted from the ties with Europe. Now they have their home and pension they say **** the young I'll live out my last years knowing people won't have the same benefits I had. It's like Blair kicking out the ladder of free education once he'd finished climbing it.
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True but those points were made very clear to the younger voters 18-40 during the debate. Remain hammered this point. Fair enough if the oldies could ignore it but looking at the areas that voted remain the turnout was 5-15% below that of areas that voted Brexit.

It was a numbers vote...if they cared about their future they should have got out in bigger numbers. How many votes would a 5% increase in turnout in all Remain areas alone have added to the national number?

Sorry I'm 39 and I've voted since I turned 18...in an area where it was frustrating to see any change to the status quo. But I voted to say, if even just to myself that I had had my say.

If a whole generation has to suffer to learn to get off their arses and take ten minutes of their lives to have their say then so be it.

Sick to death of hearing about the "disenfranchised" youth when they can't be arsed to look up a few facts or policies and then take ten minutes to vote. They scream about being treated as adults and then continue to act like children....tough.
 
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I reckon the eu can't do anything til Cameron formally informs them of intent

If he doesn't and leaves it to next guy the markets are the next question.

The markets could just decide to push the uk into recession all on their own.
 
carlthejackal said:
I am so ****ing annoyed with the arrogant pr1ck that is Jean Claude juncker. On the eve of a sensitive emotional and really tight vote, he declares that Britain will not get an ounce f extra concession after the referendum. Now if you were undecided and you were prepared to stay to fight to reform the EU, you would say: "**** it. There is no chance of reform. Let's get out"

I hope he is now happy!
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Probably is but add to list of interfering fools.

Obama
Junker
I heard ireland sent a begging delegation.

Who else had their shout. Everyone prob pushed far more leaves put to vote.
 
DirtyFrank said:
True but those points were made very clear to the younger voters 18-40 during the debate. Remain hammered this point. Fair enough if the oldies could ignore it but looking at the areas that voted remain the turnout was 5-15% below that of areas that voted Brexit.

It was a numbers vote...if they cared about their future they should have got out in bigger numbers. How many votes would a 5% increase in turnout in all Remain areas alone have added to the national number?

Sorry I'm 39 and I've voted since I turned 18...in an area where it was frustrating to see any change to the status quo. But I voted to say, if even just to myself that I had had my say.

If a whole generation has to suffer to learn to get off their arses and take ten minutes of their lives to have their say then so be it.

Sick to death of hearing about the "disenfranchised" youth when they can't be arsed to look up a few facts or policies and then take ten minutes to vote. They scream about being treated as adults and then continue to act like children....tough.
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Problem is, I don't, never have and never will have any kind of interest in politics. Don't read anything about it.

But, leave were saying we'd get more money if we left. Remain were saying we'd get more if we stayed. Now for someone who doesn't understand all of this in detail, how are you meant to make an informed choice when both parties are saying the same thing. It just comes down to who you believe.

Not ot just about money I know, lots of other bits but immigration was pretty much the same as well, botth sides claiming the same thing what ever happens.

Maybe, just maybe, it'll make bugger all difference f we stay or left in that case I'd both are saying that we'll be fine.

Its like the election. Both labour, conservatives all day the same stuff and who ever gets in, it's never really made a huge difference in my life time who the country has been run by.
 
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Perhaps a lot of the Leave thinking was influenced by how cruel and [HASHTAG]#bitter[/HASHTAG] the EU behaved towards Greece, and the contempt shown towards democracy with regard to their referendum on austerity

Another case of the EU leaders ****ing themselves with their egos
 
InEnglandWeTrust said:
Problem is, I don't, never have and never will have any kind of interest in politics. Don't read anything about it.

But, leave were saying we'd get more money if we left. Remain were saying we'd get more if we stayed. Now for someone who doesn't understand all of this in detail, how are you meant to make an informed choice when both parties are saying the same thing. It just comes down to who you believe.

Not ot just about money I know, lots of other bits but immigration was pretty much the same as well, botth sides claiming the same thing what ever happens.

Maybe, just maybe, it'll make bugger all difference f we stay or left in that case I'd both are saying that we'll be fine.

Its like the election. Both labour, conservatives all day the same stuff and who ever gets in, it's never really made a huge difference in my life time who the country has been run by.
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Clue number one is Farage is saying you'll have more money whereas every economic expert is saying you'll have less

Clue number two (too late) is Farage has already admitted he made a "mistake" and you will have less money
 
InEnglandWeTrust said:
Problem is, I don't, never have and never will have any kind of interest in politics. Don't read anything about it.

But, leave were saying we'd get more money if we left. Remain were saying we'd get more if we stayed. Now for someone who doesn't understand all of this in detail, how are you meant to make an informed choice when both parties are saying the same thing. It just comes down to who you believe.

Not ot just about money I know, lots of other bits but immigration was pretty much the same as well, botth sides claiming the same thing what ever happens.

Maybe, just maybe, it'll make bugger all difference f we stay or left in that case I'd both are saying that we'll be fine.

Its like the election. Both labour, conservatives all day the same stuff and who ever gets in, it's never really made a huge difference in my life time who the country has been run by.
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Said the same myself in that post...christ people vote here based on fleg waving.

But..

Because the parties only have to concentrate on a narrow electorate...Older people. Rich people. The only way they will ammend their policies under our system is if they think they have a new block of voters to lose.

Look at Ukip or the SNP. Setting aside their politics they identified where both parties were ignoring or being complacent with voters and stepped in and talked to them. Result?

If there was a 20% upturn in young participation, the parties couldn't ignore that...it's the difference in winning an election.

Not voting guarantees they can continue to ignore any issues you have.
 
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