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ON 23rd of June which way are you going to vote?.

  • IN

    Votes: 28 43.8%

  • OUT

    Votes: 34 53.1%

  • DON'T KNOW

    Votes: 4 6.3%
  • Total voters
    64
  • Poll closed .
DirtyFrank said:
Yeah that's true...it was actually quite paxmanesque..

Basically ripped Ed Vaizey apart.

Is this a punishment budget? Osborne saying do as I say or I'll increase your taxes.

Waffle waffle.

But with 60 conservatives saying they will vote against the emergency budget it's a toothless threat that will never get through parliament?

Waffle....

Answer the question...waffle..my

OK try answering this one...Remain loves quoting leading economists...Name just one leading economist that would agree that more austerity cuts and income tax raises would be the appropriate response to a new recession?

Waffle...

JUST ANSWER AT LEAST ONE QUESTION!!!!!

Tactically this is another own goal by Osborne/Cameron. They go to the effort of taking a step back to allow Labour to try and target their voters to back remain..Labour mp's come back astonished that at the doors the economic argument isn't working so what does George do?

Threatens more Austerity and something no Tory Chancellor would ever do...significant income tax increases.

Result...? Undercuts any headway (little that there was) that Labour has made. No labour party is going to vote through a further Tory austerity budget and hope to keep their seats.
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Between the devil and the deep blue sea.

I can't believe I am saying this but for once I hope his project fear works in this instance (if this is a last ditch attempt to stop the country making a catastrophic decision based on Boris, Patel IDS and Gove's lies). Pension reduction, and tax rises affect each individual directly not some notion of national sovereignty or even immigration control.
 
carlthejackal said:
Between the devil and the deep blue sea.

I can't believe I am saying this but for once I hope his project fear works in this instance (if this is a last ditch attempt to stop the country making a catastrophic decision based on Boris, Patel IDS and Gove's lies). Pension reduction, and tax rises affect each individual directly not some notion of national sovereignty or even immigration control.
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It won't...

Within minutes 57 tories had said they'd vote against it. Labour said they'd vote against it and SNP ditto.

Everyone knows it's an empty threat...If Brexit happens Osborne doesn't even know if he'd still be in a job.

Alistair Darling even worse....stood there and immediately had legs taken out by Corbyn...

It just makes if possible politicians less believable..undermines any facts they do put out that are true.

And encourages a resistance vote against being bullied quite unnecessarily....

Stupid stupid tactic...
 
DirtyFrank said:
It won't...

Within minutes 57 tories had said they'd vote against it. Labour said they'd vote against it and SNP ditto.

Everyone knows it's an empty threat...If Brexit happens Osborne doesn't even know if he'd still be in a job.

Alistair Darling even worse....stood there and immediately had legs taken out by Corbyn...

It just makes if possible politicians less believable..undermines any facts they do put out that are true.

And encourages a resistance vote against being bullied quite unnecessarily....

Stupid stupid tactic...
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First, what game is Labour playing at? They claim to be Remain yet they undermine attempts (even if these are cack handed) of the Remain camp. It is like Corbyn analysing the arguments for and against leaving. Totally lukewarm endorsement of Remain.

Two, if lies and threats are said with enough authority and often enough, some will surely believe it. Especially those who are undecided. There is absolutely no way a committed brexiteer will beleiev an ounce of this but if you are an undecided, drawing your state pension or a breadwinner just making ends meet, why take the risk of increased taxes and reduced pension? For both sides, the end justifies the means.
 
carlthejackal said:
First, what game is Labour playing at? They claim to be Remain yet they undermine attempts (even if these are cack handed) of the Remain camp. It is like Corbyn analysing the arguments for and against leaving. Totally lukewarm endorsement of Remain.

Two, if lies and threats are said with enough authority and often enough, some will surely believe it. Especially those who are undecided. There is absolutely no way a committed brexiteer will beleiev an ounce of this but if you are an undecided, drawing your state pension or a breadwinner just making ends meet, why take the risk of increased taxes and reduced pension? For both sides, the end justifies the means.
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Except Labour can't be seen to look that cynical...spent 6 years opposing austerity cuts but do a u turn because it suits them?

Unions would abandon them.

It would go against getting back a section of support they have lost.

As I said...Labour door knockers have been astounded going round their areas and being told by die hard labour supporters that the economy isn't what people see as important in this decision. It's why they've lined up to talk about (even Corbyn in PMQ's) banning job advertising abroad before advertising in UK etc...despite it being against EU policy...

Might sound crazy to me but Labour really are worried that the primary economic arguments being put forward by Cameron etc are not what their voters care about..

Think it's worrying Cameron now as well..his repeated emphasis today that if all the parties that usually fundamentally disagree on most things, agree on this they should be trusted. I think it's too late for that approach after so many ludicrous claims on all sides.

Think for a lot of people it's going to be vote on gut instincts...never great...
 
I think a lot of folks need a REALITY check. if theres a vast hole in the public finances and they vote down a financial bill an election is likely and then the next lot will have to solve it.

Has anyone worked out how much they will pay in tax for this vote yet?

I think that would be prudent before voting.
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
I think a lot of folks need a REALITY check. if theres a vast hole in the public finances and they vote down a financial bill an election is likely and then the next lot will have to solve it.

Has anyone worked out how much they will pay in tax for this vote yet?

I think that would be prudent before voting.
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I think a lot of people do not realise the risk to their pocket and the overall economy from Brexit. Their concern over the economy is being smoothed over by the Brexit lies while their concern over immigration is being fuelled and reinforced.
 
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carlthejackal said:
I think a lot of people do not realise the risk to their pocket and the overall economy from Brexit. Their concern over the economy is being smoothed over by the Brexit lies while their concern over immigration is being fuelled and reinforced.
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That's it, in a nutshell. Every now and then they're pinned down, like IDSS admitting that none of the mythical £350m would ever be spent on the NHS. But there will need to be a budget, whether you call it punishment, emergency or special - that's just pure economics. There's already a run on the pound and that will be a stampede on the 24 June. The Monday after Brexit the markets will want to know exactly what will happen. Naive to think anything other.
 
carlthejackal said:
I think a lot of people do not realise the risk to their pocket and the overall economy from Brexit. Their concern over the economy is being smoothed over by the Brexit lies while their concern over immigration is being fuelled and reinforced.
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Hopefully the markets starting to tank in the last week will have woken plenty up to the economic reality of this flag waving bullshit being spun by the land owning spivs pushing for brexit.

The pound crashing = inflation

To counter inflation = interest rate rises

Both = a fall in disposable income

A fall in disposable income = less spending

Less spending = recession

recession = job losses

Awesome, where do I sign up <doh>

And the working classes are being duped into voting for this ffs <wah>
 
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donga blokhin said:
That's it, in a nutshell. Every now and then they're pinned down, like IDSS admitting that none of the mythical £350m would ever be spent on the NHS. But there will need to be a budget, whether you call it punishment, emergency or special - that's just pure economics. There's already a run on the pound and that will be a stampede on the 24 June. The Monday after Brexit the markets will want to know exactly what will happen. Naive to think anything other.
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They already done so.

Jp Morgan claims it deleted a bad poll from its data and now show Brexit by 10 so every red cent that can move is moving NOW.

I'd not be shocked to hear Britain goes into recession even if we vote stay.
 
Brexit fears spook global markets
Polls indicating that voters could force the UK from the European Union next week are causing markets to slide toward near-panic conditions. Nearly $141bn has been wiped off the FTSE in past four days, and the pound is languishing at two-month lows against the dollar. Big losses are also reported across Europe, with investors fleeing to German bonds, pushing them into negative territory. In a measure of the mounting anxiety, European and UK central banks are preparing to backstop financial markets in the event of a vote to leave the union. The Guardian is running a live blog with the latest updates.
Brexit fears wipe £100bn off FTSE 100 in four days
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/1555413bab77a852
 
Jigsawklopp said:
Brexit fears spook global markets
Polls indicating that voters could force the UK from the European Union next week are causing markets to slide toward near-panic conditions. Nearly $141bn has been wiped off the FTSE in past four days, and the pound is languishing at two-month lows against the dollar. Big losses are also reported across Europe, with investors fleeing to German bonds, pushing them into negative territory. In a measure of the mounting anxiety, European and UK central banks are preparing to backstop financial markets in the event of a vote to leave the union. The Guardian is running a live blog with the latest updates.
Brexit fears wipe £100bn off FTSE 100 in four days
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/1555413bab77a852
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Begs the question - just how much has Murdoch got in hedge funds?
 
Here Mito. After us discussing the NI question EU wise

All through the troubles the DUP took a position that the UK govt should have built an almost Trump like wall on the NI/Republic border...now being Brexit...they are saying it's impossible.

Today in the Commons, the SDLP asked a leading question so the UK PM could say a wall literally or at NI ports would happen..after spending 30 years protesting any attempt at it happening..

Yet another reason such a serious question has because of politicians degenerated into the basest reasons for individual votes.

We have all on here, argued for and against in a intellectual and passionate manner.

But I've also seen the same self justification being stated...about personalities...

How are you mainland lot going to vote in general elections next based on thus display?

To declare...it'll make **** all difference here as voting is still based on flag waving and inherited dipshitness.....
 
DirtyFrank said:
You're Murdoch infatuation is getting a bit sisu DD lol...
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It's a serious point Frank, the man has his, and has had, his finger in every pie of government, and his hand on the throat of every PM for four decades. He's cooked up something with Boris and Gove at his wedding, that's not my conspiracy theory but a fact. And read the above Independent link about him - if someone had this much power and influence in a third world country we all be calling it what it is - evil despotism.
 
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