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ON 23rd of June which way are you going to vote?.

  • IN

    Votes: 28 43.8%

  • OUT

    Votes: 34 53.1%

  • DON'T KNOW

    Votes: 4 6.3%
  • Total voters
    64
  • Poll closed .
BobbyD said:
lol it is getting pretty bad, but at least his conspiracies only on one man. Astro has one every other day
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Nothing 'conspiracy' about it. It's total fact: Murdoch is the Kingmaker in this country, and again I refer to The Independent article. You may be happy being an underling being ruled by his flying monkeys in his Fool's Paradise, but at least have the grace to admit that it's happening.

Like your arguments about Brexit being one-by-one destroyed Bobby, this one is dogshit too, I don't deny you'll win the referendum for all the reasons stated in this thread - good for you. Enjoy your 'sovereignty' being a subject of Murdochland. Perhaps he'll give you free access to live brown-persons' deportations from the country. Nigel Farright will make an excellent commentator to them.

And before you wave the yellow flag, I'm one quarter Chinese too.
 
donga blokhin said:
Nothing 'conspiracy' about it. It's total fact: Murdoch is the Kingmaker in this country, and again I refer to The Independent article. You may be happy being an underling being ruled by his flying monkeys in his Fool's Paradise, but at least have the grace to admit that it's happening.

Like your arguments about Brexit being one-by-one destroyed Bobby, this one is dogshit too, I don't deny you'll win the referendum for all the reasons stated in this thread - good for you. Enjoy your 'sovereignty' being a subject of Murdochland. Perhaps he'll give you free access to live brown-persons' deportations from the country. Nigel Farright will make an excellent commentator to them.

And before you wave the yellow flag, I'm one quarter Chinese too.
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Will watch that later. I wont be waving no yellow flag you are welcome to your own opinions and people playing the race card over every disagreement is actually one of my pet hates.

Whilst i will have to disagree with you "destroying" my brexit arguments as the only real reason for staying in eu is a i want stability or an economic reason, everything else being spouted is conjecture and no one will be right or wrong. Its just as matter of opinion and how we take this information and project what we think will happen.

As for the brexit, i dont believe for 1 moment that if this country does eventually vote this direction that the mps will action it as there is too much vested interests in the current mps to stay.
 
BobbyD said:
Will watch that later. I wont be waving no yellow flag you are welcome to your own opinions and people playing the race card over every disagreement is actually one of my pet hates.

Whilst i will have to disagree with you "destroying" my brexit arguments as the only real reason for staying in eu is a i want stability or an economic reason, everything else being spouted is conjecture and no one will be right or wrong. Its just as matter of opinion and how we take this information and project what we think will happen.

As for the brexit, i dont believe for 1 moment that if this country does eventually vote this direction that the mps will action it as there is too much vested interests in the current mps to stay.
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That's the only argument there is, and that has been totally hosed. We've lost £100bn in four days on the FTSE - the markets know where this is going. As for immigration, we're going to be in the exact same position in five years as we are now, except that non-EU immigration (especially from Pakistan) will rise. The hordes on the North French coast will still be there. Sovereignty is an utter illusion - in fact, I trust workers' rights far more in Brussels than I do in Murdoch, who, as I do not apologise for pointing out, will run this country through whichever puppet government is involved. And as for that illegally branded battlebus and it's £350m lie - total Goebells.

And as the crank is back on Murdoch, that film only goes to 2004 and is USA-centric. It doesn't cover the phone-hacking scandal, which is mis-named as it doesn't reflect the real severity of bribed policeman, civil-servants and the judiciary as people tend to think of Milly Dowler and Hugh Grant. The truth is that he even had the temerity to nobble that House of Commons Select Committee that he appeared in front of with faux humility by tying up that chisel-chinned, semi-reformed crack head Louise Mensch in advance with a lucrative job offer for services rendered.
 
Gove was TV last night. He said again that his Dad lost his fishing business because of the EU. And that their family had been devastated by it.

However, Dimbleby said to him: " Your Dad gave an interview to the Guardian and that he had categoricaly denied the sale had anything to do with the EU." Gove went red and became tearful and said this was low of the Guardian to words into a vulnerable man's mouth" Interestingly this morning the Guardian stood by their story and the interview and said they had evidence and witnesses.

During the programme, a Spanish woman who has been here working for 15 years said she was distressed by the language used by Gove. Heseltine had also apparently written to Gove and Boris saying they never thought that mainstream politicians would be so close to the likes of Farage.

At the end a woman said that Gove across as a smooth talker but in her heart she knew that he couldn't trusted with his message as he would say absolutely anything to convince the voters.
 
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what i simply don't get about this sovereignty argument is this:

1. UK has a more powerful voice in europe telling others what to do due to its size, vetos and standing. for example if a poland or a spain say something the UK cna basically ignore them.. as do france.

2. The Uk voters have for YEARS sent total numpties to europe like farage. we have by extension weakened ourselves in the parliment there.

3. what exactly do we think sitting on the side deciding to do whatever ourselves will do compared to sitting with the whole of europe and all together deciding on important issues affecting us all...

4. exactly how do we think that europe tells us jack **** what to do around tax or our banking system really.. those who wanted to joined a single currency and thats were their issue lie..

5. HOW the **** does anyone think that global events won't affect UK as in 2008 a global crisis plunged this country into recession...

6. if we plunge ourselves and europe into recession how do we think those affected with turn aorund and play nice with UK due to us being trading buddies?


This seems to boil down at this point to

a) nobody cares about the economy at all... (assumption may be we simply borrow our way out of issues)

b) nobody seems to be worried about thier own job so who cares about the guy down the street who will be affected.

c) everyone seems to care about hordes or turks for some reason, romanians and eastern europeans despite years and years of empire based migration. apparently its the EU thats eating up old england and high tea with crumpets.

d) it seems merkel is worse than hitler and dictates all laws in uk.
 
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carlthejackal said:
Gove was TV last night. He said again that his Dad lost his fishing business because of the EU. And that their family had been devastated by it.

However, Dimbleby said to him: " Your Dad gave an interview to the Guardian and that he had categoricaly denied the sale had anything to do with the EU." Gove went red and became tearful and said this was low of the Guardian to words into a vulnerable man's mouth" Interestingly this morning the Guardian stood by their story and the interview and said they had evidence and witnesses.

During the programme, a Spanish woman who has been here working for 15 years said she was distressed by the language used by Gove. Heseltine had also apparently written to Gove and Boris saying they never thought that mainstream politicians would be so close to the likes of Farage.

At the end a woman said that Gove across as a smooth talker but in her heart she knew that he couldn't trusted with his message as he would say absolutely anything to convince the voters.
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As Attorney General, he's just had his arse handed to him py the previous AG, Dominic Grieve, who said the Brexit negotiations timetable - especially the bribe to Wayne and Waynetta that they would stop EU immigration on day one - is illegal and breaks international law. One completely overrated ****wit - how the hell this slimebruger got the reputation of an 'intellectual' is beyond belief. Maybe the fact that he can tie his shoelaces makes him so to the average Sun reader.
 
donga blokhin said:
It's a serious point Frank, the man has his, and has had, his finger in every pie of government, and his hand on the throat of every PM for four decades. He's cooked up something with Boris and Gove at his wedding, that's not my conspiracy theory but a fact. And read the above Independent link about him - if someone had this much power and influence in a third world country we all be calling it what it is - evil despotism.
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Oh I know he has a incredibly unsavoury influence on our politicians mate...His media outlets have also behaved disgracefully and not just on the ref.

I'm just not sure anyone but Daily Mail (not murdochs)readers believe what they read in papers or even on the news these days...everyone assumes both sky and even the BBC display their own political leanings in their reporting.

And who believes a word our current politicians say? In fact I think Brexit will happen whether it's against the populations best interests specifically as a two fingers up to the political elite...is this the right reasons to vote out? No....but I think it will still happen..
 
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donga blokhin said:
That's the only argument there is, and that has been totally hosed. We've lost £100bn in four days on the FTSE - the markets know where this is going. As for immigration, we're going to be in the exact same position in five years as we are now, except that non-EU immigration (especially from Pakistan) will rise. The hordes on the North French coast will still be there. Sovereignty is an utter illusion - in fact, I trust workers' rights far more in Brussels than I do in Murdoch, who, as I do not apologise for pointing out, will run this country through whichever puppet government is involved. And as for that illegally branded battlebus and it's £350m lie - total Goebells.

And as the crank is back on Murdoch, that film only goes to 2004 and is USA-centric. It doesn't cover the phone-hacking scandal, which is mis-named as it doesn't reflect the real severity of bribed policeman, civil-servants and the judiciary as people tend to think of Milly Dowler and Hugh Grant. The truth is that he even had the temerity to nobble that House of Commons Select Committee that he appeared in front of with faux humility by tying up that chisel-chinned, semi-reformed crack head Louise Mensch in advance with a lucrative job offer for services rendered.
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The latest polls have asked whether that claim is believed or not. 47% of those asked have taken it as 'fact'

It's truly ****ing shocking.
 
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The Bank of England has warned that uncertainty about the EU referendum is the "largest immediate risk" facing global financial markets.
The Bank said there were "risks of adverse spill-overs to the global economy" from the 23 June vote.
It was "increasingly likely" that sterling would fall further in the event of a vote to leave the EU, perhaps sharply, the Bank added.
Sterling fell 0.5% to $1.4132, but was steady against the euro.
The Bank warned in the minutes of May's Monetary Policy Committee meeting that a "vote to leave the EU could materially alter the outlook for [economic] output and inflation".
 
DirtyFrank said:
Oh I know he has a incredibly unsavoury influence on our politicians mate...His media outlets have also behaved disgracefully and not just on the ref.

I'm just not sure anyone but Daily Mail (not murdochs)readers believe what they read in papers or even on the news these days...everyone assumes both sky and even the BBC display their own political leanings in their reporting.

And who believes a word our current politicians say? In fact I think Brexit will happen whether it's against the populations best interests specifically as a two fingers up to the political elite...is this the right reasons to vote out? No....but I think it will still happen..
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Sadly, that's my take too.
 
Labour MP Jo Cox...shot and stabbed and in a critical condition by man who reportedly shouted "Britain First" ....

For Christ's sake...just horrible. Hopefully she recovers....
 
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