Immigration does need to be controlled, we're a small nation in geographical terms and can only take so many I suppose. But I don't really see why we can't address that from within the EU. It isn't just a UK issue, it has become a problem for the whole continent and needs to be addressed by everyone anyway. I imagine new strategies are in the pipeline already.
Nothing wrong with that mate....I'm just curses with the "but why" gene lol... I need things proved...I trained to look at where the source of info came from to weight it's validity and unfortunately for me there are no "independent" views on this one. Everyone has something to win or lose globally with this one. My heart like yours instinctively says inclusiveness is best....always....I just don't trust who currently is dominant in the EU really has inclusiveness at the heart of their agenda...i.e. Germany.....now this will sound xenophobic lol but history past and near tells us they are control freaks that have manipulated the entire project to promote German interests...which kinda goes against the whole idea of the let's all work together. Take immigration...they knew what "open the doors" would do. They as one of the few if not only existing manufacturing powerhouses left in Europe can handpick the incoming workforce and let the rest wander on...to us. They have pretty much taken control of the southern EU states through economic bullying. In other words they've learned they no longer need an army to control Europe. I just don't see any of our current politicians being strong enough to play the game with them...and it needs played as all the other major countries are on their knees. It is a game...whether we all want state boundaries to disappear they haven't and the one running it is becoming yet again more and more nationalistic....
Oh dont be sorry. Tbh what you said wasnt that bad. I think we are all grown up and mature enough not to be bogged down in insults. I just meant diegos sarcy post was just a direct retaliation. Some of the stuff being said about the brexiters in many of the european threads on not606 is pretty bad and insulting. Yours hasnt even been a touch on those
Well I'm not one to insult people personally unless it's just a bit of banter. Like I said to Diego, it's fine when we're on about football but on a serious subject we don't win by calling each other names. We all want the best for our country because that's best for us. However we all have different ideas as to what "best" is.
At least some things have improved then. On the "validity" point. It's difficult when you look for authoritative and unbiased information on anything, because unless you know better yourself, you can still never be sure of any source. One of the previous links pointed to an article which said that a London university had calculated that the latest wave of European immigrants contributed 34% more than they took out of the economy. Can that be trusted? Unless you know exactly how this research was undertaken, and are sufficiently expert yourself to evaluate the method, you're still only going on what you're told. A friend of a friend told said friend with great assurance that Romanians are responsible for 40% of all the crime in London. I'm guessing that's a Daily Mail "calculation".
Like most people it seems, the mrs and I don't really know which way to vote since we haven't a clue whats what. Not to worry though, she had a genius idea! Since we both get a vote, we'll vote opposite ways to counter each other
Lol..exactly ..university studies ..I'd have trusted themy except peer review is from other universities...and their rep organisation said emphatically Yes...I could take that as the smartest people in our country evaluating the issue and deciding but then I go...wait...they make money out of the EU...lol...and that's an issue for me...and maybe a biased one. When I went to uni I believed it was for like minded intelligent people to challenge each other to get the best result...except I found it more confining than a levels...sat what you're told or fail...and that was 20 years before fees that made them even more greedy. The Romanians thing I found funny...not yet allowed in but yet if believed they that are somehow already run a fair amount of the crime syndicate of London... But then let's be fair...Russia aren't in the EU and they actually own most of the capital lol ..make of that pro or against...
As a fellow "wtf" are you complacent or stressed that you believe it's important but haven't been given the info to decide....?
I'd suggest you find out how your jobs are affected really.. not maybe really... and vote appropriately. I am 100% sure if Brexit occurs my job will go within 4 years or whenever the building lease is next up.. simple as..
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...erendum-brexit-polls-janet-yellen-speech-live Enjoying your hols getting more expensive, petrol going up and oh... problem pension losing too. Just watch the pumps. The petrol was going up already but this could see a big hike..
What about the other 14%? It's a yes or no poll I assume they're the 'floaters'. Of those who are currently undecided I'd suggest that they're more likely to opt for the safe option, than the risky course. The 'outers' are more like to be entrenched imo, so that poll should give us hope tbh
I am one of the undecided. The whole thing is becoming confusing. My head is telling In, while my heart is saying "wait".
