The definition of a "cult"! Or as near as dammit
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The definition of a "cult"! Or as near as dammit
That may be a tad unfair on *some* Farage supporters who may have turned towards him because they are sick of the two party system. There are undoubtedly others though who support him because he can articulate their views in a way they are incapable of without being overly racist.
It's similar to what Will Self said about Brexit, not all Brexit voters are racist, but all racists voted for Brexit. A nuance Mark Francois couldn't grasp and became hilariously annoyed about.
What really irks a lot of folk, not all racist or deform voters.
Is the inability to stop the boats. The illegal immigrants and the money spent on them.. hotels..benefits.. medical assistance... housing etc. People feel robbed and that they are being taken for a ride.
So what cpuld be termed 'real politic' labour will lose a lot of seats unless they can get a grip of this issue. Backbenchers standing on their dignity/principals, are 'turkeys voting for Christmas.
A similar point can be made about welfare benefits, cos if taxes are raised anymore, Labour is toast.
That's all quite true and shows how difficult it is for people to know how to vote and what they're voting for.
No one, in my opinion, knew what Brexit actually meant and I doubt anyone knows what Farage stands for ...
... especially as he's capable of holding two entirely different opinion concurrently, answering any difficult question with a joke and making impossible claims that sound realistic.
Brexit is like Trump's latest war/peace initiative ... no one knows how or when it will end and what it's mean to achieve.
I think in its simplest form people voted for Brexit as they were fed up with what they perceived to be over interference from Europe in every day things. For example, Sunderlands own metric martyr Steve Thoburn. More importantly they also thought that by removing the UK from being beholden to Europe it would give the country more control over its borders.
That none of that happened is not necessarily a failing of Brexit, more a failure of how an incompetent government led by an utter buffoon of a prime minister implemented it.
David Cameron wasn’t stupid. He probably had a fair idea about the UK’s collective zeitgeist and it’s why he put Brexit to a referendum, knowing that if it went they way he expected it was the excuse he needed to step down and let Boris take the blame for it.
Brexit was a complex process and came with complex problems and I don’t think that any government could have done much better.
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I would vote the same again
The UK’s overriding desire seemed to be freeing ourselves from the European ‘men in suits’ …
… and placing ourselves in the hands of British men in suits.
And Boris’s dream was to bring back imperial measures, the Empire and national service.
In its simplest simplest form 51 percent of the UK population wanted to be governed by British people, enacting British laws. They saw Brexit as the means to achieve it. Although as I said earlier a lot was to do with having control of our borders which people thought would stop widespread mass immigration. Right or wrong…..still far too early to tell despite the arguments from both sides saying the others were wrong.
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Leave voters were in the majority so it doesn’t really matter what the others think IMO.
That is exactly why I voted for Brexit the metric martyr, but according to remoaners I am a racist
That’s what makes it so sad.
People were so proud to vote ‘leave’ …
… but after almost a decade can’t list the benefits except trivialities.
Your wrong it was only 51.5% of people who voted so all the people that did not vote were in the remain camp, which means more people wanted to stay, get with the programme.
I think the racism trope is just very poor form from anyone and I’ve seen it on here many times. It’s just another version of Godwins law or for the Latin speaking cohort on here Reductio ad Hitlerum
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Depends in the context it's being used. I was very clear earlier that not everyone who voted Brexit is racist. If you drew a Venn Diagram though of racists and brexiteers the former would sit entirely within latter.
I actually don’t think that the UK as a country is racist, nor do I believe that the population as a whole hold those views. There are of course individuals and groups who will though. We have to be careful not to conflate nationalism with racism.
Is that using the context that only white people can be racist which is a common outlook from certain groups.
I don't think racism (the belief that your own race is superior) and nationalism (the belief that your country is superior to all others) are a million miles apart tbh. Patriotism (a love of your country and people) on the other hand is an admirable trait.