Off Topic WW3 How Close?
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All bias apart, does anyone truly believe Trump has all this planned out ...
... as he should've done before it started.
Or, as I do, believe he's lost his mind.
We all used to roll our eyes when some ancient 'Supreme Leader' shuffled onto the news ...
... now that's me with Trump.
... as he should've done before it started.
Or, as I do, believe he's lost his mind.
We all used to roll our eyes when some ancient 'Supreme Leader' shuffled onto the news ...
... now that's me with Trump.
I don’t know what the plan is. But I do know that a military operation like this would have been months in the planning. It’s not something that he would have just decided the day before.
That's not my point.
It's very easy to plan attacks with all the capabilities the US has ...
... the problem is the consequences and what happens throughout the Middle East, Europe and the rest of the world.
And us?
Do you believe Trump is in control?
Will of been months in planning but final decision was probably forced, with a lot of ducks in a row for US and Israel, you had all the leaders of Iran in one place and the three Iranian subs in dock.
That’s my point.
Months of planning and it’s all gone to **** in a few days …
… or do people believe what’s happening is all Trump’s plan?
I'm sorry to inform you mate but Sunderland will be the reason WW3 starts.
Just think about it
1913 we win things 1914 WW1 starts
1936, 1937 we win things 1939 WW2 starts
Not sure what happened in 1973 mind , could just be the exception that proves the rule.
Do we really want SAFC to win the league/ Cup?
Alternatively of course it could just have been them Germans keeping us in our place, cant have little old Sunderland dominating football
Oil crisis in mid east started about that timeI'm sorry to inform you mate but Sunderland will be the reason WW3 starts.
Just think about it
1913 we win things 1914 WW1 starts
1936, 1937 we win things 1939 WW2 starts
Not sure what happened in 1973 mind , could just be the exception that proves the rule.
Do we really want SAFC to win the league/ Cup?
Alternatively of course it could just have been them Germans keeping us in our place, cant have little old Sunderland dominating football
You know my thoughts on Trump and I know I’m in the minority on here. But you did ask the question “has he got it all planned out”. I replied I don’t know what his plan is. I’m sure he does though.
Trump is disliked as much as he is adored by the world. I’ll ask this question though. If this same thing had happened during the Biden administration or the two Obama administrations would people be complaining as much? It is still the same military under Trump as it was under Biden and Obama.
There is no such thing as a perfect military operation. Never has been. The operation can be planned in meticulous detail and this one will have been. The Normandy landings in 1944 took years to plan, but I’ve read enough history books to know that things started to go wrong almost straight away. It’s how those in charge adapt to those circumstances and challenges is what makes the operation a success or failure. What can never be planned for are the unknowns and the unforseeables.
From memory you can plan for certain things. What you can generally assume will happen based on previous experience. At their simplest they are, or at least were, called ‘actions on’.
Trump and his Generals will also have planned for what happens at the end of the military phase of the operation. Again, what that intent is, you, me and everyone else on here wouldn’t have a clue. We can only guess. I would guess it will be to install a regime, made up of previous members of the ruling party in Iran, but who are considered receptive to change.
The vast majority of Iranians want that change. There have been very visible undercurrents of rebellion going on there for a couple of years at least. Was that engineered by the USA? We will likely never know.
That's fair enough mate, you may be right and I really don't know.
Personally I think we have a seriously dangerous man in place who believes in chaos, as Boris Johnson did ...
... but on a much bigger scale.
I find it all very disturbing tbh.
Every cloud …………..
The human race believes it to be the most intelligent …
… yet the other species don’t go around destroying their own habitat.
We boast about all of our medical advances but just succeed in keeping old people alive for longer …
… in truth we’ve made no progress and things will just keep getting worse.
Just as SAFC finally looks like having some success
On an aside, I watched a clip of Rafal Heydel-Mankoo the other day where he was asked who he thought was the worst British PM. He said that for sheer incompetence alone it was Boris Johnson. So maybe it’s a good thing that he’s no longer in charge in the UK or God only knows what could happen at the moment.
To be honest I place value on people who will fight for their country when asked. Both Biden and Trump were granted multiple exceptions from the Vietnam draft. So in that respect they are both low in my esteem anyway, especially because they had/have it in their power to send their citizens to war.
The words spoken, by presidents, can endure decades …
… statements from Trump barely last the time it takes for him to contradict himself.
I’m finding the whole situation very confusing and can’t see how it will stop becoming worse.
He's got no plan. He's admitted the current regime could be replaced by one just as bad.
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I guess the worst case would be we do this, and then somebody takes over who’s as bad as the previous person, right? That could happen. We don’t want that to happen,” Trump said. “It would probably be the worst. You go through this and then, in five years, you realise you put somebody in who is no better.”
Then you look at what has happened in Venezuela since the Maduro regime was toppled. Early indications are that the Rodriguez, who was Maduro’s VP is generally accepting of US intervention. That will likely be the plan for Iran. Whether or not that occurs is too soon to tell of course.
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Got to be the nation that suffered the attack that invokes article 5, no other country can do it on their behalf.
Not really sure that adds much context tbh, he still says he doesn't know how it will play out. With Venezuela he was removing a leader, with Iran he's trying to remove a whole theocracy and a loyal armed forces. Different ball game.
I agree that’s exactly what he’s doing. In both cases though it is autocratic regimes. I think the majority of Venezuelans and Iranians are happy with his actions. As he said though, the right person or persons need to be in charge for change to happen. If they aren’t then a whole can of worms gets opened which will infect the world for decades to come.
That’s quite a claim tbh mate.
Would you say the majority or Europeans are happy with Trump …
… tbh I doubt even the majority of Americans are.