Off Topic WW3 How Close?

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E.T. Fairfax said:
The relationship is nowhere near as special with him in charge. He saw to that.

Iraq and Afghanistan invasions had the majority of Americans (general public, military, politicians) backing it. They were wounded by 9/11 resulting in general support globally too. So I could see why Britain followed. This isnt the case this time. It isnt even getting full backing in America, nowhere near enough support globally, so why should we put our military in the firing line by blindly following this time? If we dip our toe in now, god knows what hellish pit of sh*t, blood and mangled bodies we may eventually end up having to crawl out of. I honestly think that the British public would not stand for it and Starmer writing Trump a blank cheque would have spelt the end for him as PM. Not a fan of Starmer, but he's done the right thing here.
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Britain followed the US post 9/11 because Bush invoked Article 5 of the NATO treaty, the only time this has ever been invoked.

In the past, Britain didn't put our forces in the firing line in Vietnam, no matter how much the US pressed us. This could have been down to us being too broke &/or us having seen our arses over US threatening us to force us to capitulate over Suez, but the ensuing forced devaluation of sterling meant there was no public call for us to back the US so politicians, for possibly the first time in our history, did the sensible thing and kept us out.
 
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The big baby has some neck talking about Churchill with all his orange make up.

Iran needs to stopped from getting s nuke but Trump is an orange, diaper wearing mess.
 
Evil Jimmy Krankie said:
So if not the USA and now, then which country and when?
Because to my mind at least, the USA seem to be the only country capable and willing to do it.
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Read my post mate Iran needs to be stopped but we don’t need to be involved militarily.

As stated above Obama was achieving things till the orange baboon came along.
 
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Northumberland Rocks said:
Read my post mate Iran needs to be stopped but we don’t need to be involved militarily.

As stated above Obama was achieving things till the orange baboon came along.
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If you say so.
We’ve tried appeasement before in 1939. It didn’t work then. And if you think Iran were actually taking any notice of Obama then you’re delusional. In any case, what did Biden do after Trumps first term in office. Did he go back to Iran and say that “the orange baboon” was wrong, let’s go back to what you and Barack were talking about?
It takes decades to achieve nuclear capability. Iran, being one of the biggest players in that region were never going to just give up on it and especially because America said so. They detest America and everything it stands for.
I admire your ideals but reality is somewhat different.
 
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Evil Jimmy Krankie said:
If you say so.
We’ve tried appeasement before in 1939. It didn’t work then. And if you think Iran were actually taking any notice of Obama then you’re delusional. In any case, what did Biden do after Trumps first term in office. Did he go back to Iran and say that “the orange baboon” was wrong, let’s go back to what you and Barack were talking about?
It takes decades to achieve nuclear capability. Iran, being one of the biggest players in that region were never going to just give up on it and especially because America said so. They detest America and everything it stands for.
I admire your ideals but reality is somewhat different.
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It’s not our war and our response has been measured in defending our interests as well as limited defensive support to the US and less of the delusion craic as it’s not necessary.
 
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Northumberland Rocks said:
It’s not our war and our response has been measured and less of the delusion craic as it’s not necessary.
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It started to become our war when Iran launched drone attacks on RAF Akrotiri. Do you think they fell there by accident?
More importantly I take notice of the Iranian people who are generally saying that they wanted this to happen.
What’s wrong with saying I think your remarks are delusional? Are you afraid of words now?
 
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Evil Jimmy Krankie said:
It started to become our war when Iran launched drone attacks on RAF Akrotiri. Do you think they fell there by accident?
More importantly I take notice of the Iranian people who are generally saying that they wanted this to happen.
What’s wrong with saying I think your remarks are delusional? Are you afraid of words now?
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My view is as relevant as yours mate but I didn’t feel the need to be derogatory. I actually agree with a lot you are saying.
 
Evil Jimmy Krankie said:
I agree your view is just as relevant as mine. I wasn’t being derogatory at all. It’s a perfectly acceptable term and word to use.
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Peacefully is always preferable to war imho and was worth a try and there was real progress with Obama. Irrelevant now thanks to Trump. Obama was a statesman and that is the last thing you could say about Trump.

I think the UKs response has been measured and broadly in line with what most in the country want.
 
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Northumberland Rocks said:
Peacefully is always preferable to war imho and was worth a try and there was real progress with Obama. Irrelevant now thanks to Trump. Obama was a statesman and that is the last thing you could say about Trump.

I think the UKs response has been measured and broadly in line with what most in the country want.
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Yes, peace is always preferable to war. I was in the military long enough to know that. But every country has to protect its own interests.
I’m also not saying the the UK should put itself on a war footing based on that one drone attack. What it needs to do and will be doing will be keeping a very close eye on what its allies will be doing. And by ally I mean the USA. We don’t want to get dragged into a war based on bad intelligence do we?
So I’ll say it again. In Biden’s term in office why didn’t he reverse some of those excesses of Trump? Why didn’t he go back to Iran and revisit the nuclear deal?
 
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Trump has gone in without a medium or long term plan, no exit strategy, no international consensus (other than with Israel), against the wishes of US allies in the region, and without domestic political oversight. You'd think there were elections on the horizon or something...

And I'm sorry but saying he's better than the last dude just doesn't cut it.
 
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Row 3 said:
Trump has gone in without a medium or long term plan, no exit strategy, no international consensus (other than with Israel), against the wishes of US allies in the region, and without domestic political oversight. You'd think there were elections on the horizon or something...

And I'm sorry but saying he's better than the last dude just doesn't cut it.
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And what is this based on?
 
Evil Jimmy Krankie said:
Yes, peace is always preferable to war. I was in the military long enough to know that. But every country has to protect its own interests. We don’t want to get dragged into a war based on bad intelligence do we?
So I’ll say it again. In Biden’s term in office why didn’t he reverse some of those excesses of Trump? Why didn’t he go back to Iran and revisit the nuclear deal?
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And therein lies the problem, Trump changes his mind randomly and repeatedly contradicts himself.

I'm sorry to repost this clip from the Simpsons but this is Trump's way of dealing with every situation ...

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Northumberland Rocks said:
Peacefully is always preferable to war imho and was worth a try and there was real progress with Obama. Irrelevant now thanks to Trump. Obama was a statesman and that is the last thing you could say about Trump.

I think the UKs response has been measured and broadly in line with what most in the country want.
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Obama hasnt been in office since 2017, 9 years is a long time to build a mankind ending bomb
 
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