Off Topic WW3 How Close?

[ned_werby]

The last few days have highlighted and underlined how important it is for all of Nato and friendly nations aliened to Nato get together very very quick. America is now acting like a rogue nation with Trump in charge. The way he is now using all Putins language to undermine Zelensky, To call him the guy a "Dictator" is unbelievable given he is cozying up to the worst Dictator of all in Putin. I feel sorry for America these days

I don't, you reap what you sow. Time for Europe to move on, form a proper pan-european alliance - including a European Army and tell Murica to **** off off our territories and cosy up to BRICS - see how long they last with Xi running rings round them.

 

[Smug in Boots]

The last few days have highlighted and underlined how important it is for all of Nato and friendly nations aliened to Nato get together very very quick. America is now acting like a rogue nation with Trump in charge. The way he is now using all Putins language to undermine Zelensky, To call him the guy a "Dictator" is unbelievable given he is cozying up to the worst Dictator of all in Putin. I feel sorry for America these days

One of the greatest 'benefits' of Brexit was that we’d be able to enjoy free trade with countries like America. We now have Trump threatening tariffs on the UK, virtually ignoring us and stomping around in Europe

Since we left Europe we’ve weakened it in my opinion. It’s not all about what we got from Europe, what we gave it was also important I believe.

And it also feels like we’re out on a limb now. Do we say what we really should about Trump or kowtow to him and, by default, to Putin …

… Trump was scary in his first administration, he's now quickly becoming Dr No.

 

[Frazier the Lion]

I don't, you reap what you sow. Time for Europe to move on, form a proper pan-european alliance - including a European Army and tell Murica to **** off off our territories and cosy up to BRICS - see how long they last with Xi running rings round them.

The sad/hilarious thing is that the prospect of a European army was one of the big points used by brexiteers. And now we may be approaching a point where the choice will be between a European army that the UK is a big part of, or an occupying US/Russian one. There’s definitely a scenario where trump is lining us up to be the 52nd state. He’s already talking three terms. Our biggest protection in all this is likely to be cheeseburgers and heart disease.

 

[Comfy]

The last few days have highlighted and underlined how important it is for all of Nato and friendly nations aliened to Nato get together very very quick. America is now acting like a rogue nation with Trump in charge. The way he is now using all Putins language to undermine Zelensky, To call him the guy a "Dictator" is unbelievable given he is cozying up to the worst Dictator of all in Putin. I feel sorry for America these days

If theres one thing the yanks are good at are assassinations, if I had some spare cash I'd be putting it all on another one

 

[ned_werby]

If theres one thing the yanks are good at are assassinations, if I had some spare cash I'd be putting it all on another one

We can but hope.

 

[TonyG]

One of the greatest 'benefits' of Brexit was that we’d be able to enjoy free trade with countries like America. We now have Trump threatening tariffs on the UK, virtually ignoring us and stomping around in Europe

Since we left Europe we’ve weakened it in my opinion. It’s not all about what we got from Europe, what we gave it was also important I believe.

And it also feels like we’re out on a limb now. Do we say what we really should about Trump or kowtow to him and, by default, to Putin …

… Trump was scary in his first administration, he's now quickly becoming Dr No.

Yep !
The whole brexit thing was a destabilising activity engineered specifically and we walked straight into this trap.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Yep !
The whole brexit thing was a destabilising activity engineered specifically and we walked straight into this trap.

We're now looking a little isolated which was exactly what I feared.

Who are our greatest allies now ... USA, Europe, China, India, Russia?

Well at least we can all rejoice in our glorious fishing quotas even though we barely employ anyone in the fishing industry.

 

[SAFC2403]

Well at least we can all rejoice in our glorious fishing quotas even though we barely employ anyone in the fishing industry.

Was watching some program on saturday that mentioned that before brexit we exported a rediculous percentage of fishing catch to Europe - since brexit thats gone by the wayside as our prices have gone up and the european fleets are now cheaper.

The country shot itself massively in the foot over brexit and we're reaping the "rewards" now.

 

[flandersmackem]

Was watching some program on saturday that mentioned that before brexit we exported a rediculous percentage of fishing catch to Europe - since brexit thats gone by the wayside as our prices have gone up and the european fleets are now cheaper.

The country shot itself massively in the foot over brexit and we're reaping the "rewards" now.

I've had many conversation with people who voted to leave Europe. Not one person has given me ONE example of how their life is better financially or another other metrics.... massive mistake

 

[Draig]

The last few days have highlighted and underlined how important it is for all of Nato and friendly nations aliened to Nato get together very very quick. America is now acting like a rogue nation with Trump in charge. The way he is now using all Putins language to undermine Zelensky, To call him the guy a "Dictator" is unbelievable given he is cozying up to the worst Dictator of all in Putin. I feel sorry for America these days

4th worst at most behind Stalin, Hitler and chairman Mao. I'd rank him somewhere around Pol Pot but ahead of Pinochet and Peron

 

[vic9]

I've had many conversation with people who voted to leave Europe. Not one person has given me ONE example of how their life is better financially or another other metrics.... massive mistake

Financially, no better or worse to my knowledge, but content with the fact that I can contribute,change a incompetent Government(don’t get me started) every 5 years or less,rather than be dictated to by bureaucrats in Brussels,but would add Trump is really pissing me off with his Ukraine rhetoric and would love the idea of a strong European army and tell him to Fcuk off

 

[alcoauth]

You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Financially, no better or worse to my knowledge, but content with the fact that I can contribute,change a incompetent Government(don’t get me started) every 5 years or less,rather than be dictated to by bureaucrats in Brussels,but would add Trump is really pissing me off with his Ukraine rhetoric and would love the idea of a strong European army and tell him to Fcuk off

I can see the logic in that and the appeal tbh.

I would say, however, that the worst period of governmental chaos was when Brussels could no longer apply any control.

Perhaps it was just coincidence, I hope so.

 

[BRMC]

Has Nigel said anything about the unelected Musk meddling in US affairs?

 

[alcoauth]

I can see the logic in that and the appeal tbh.

I would say, however, that the worst period of governmental chaos was when Brussels could no longer apply any control.

Perhaps it was just coincidence, I hope so.

I think the vast majority of people who were pro-Brexit would admit that almost none of the advantages it could have brought to the country have been taken advantage of, Brexit meant more independence and that means you need to start moving in the direction of industry, manufacture and the likes, you can't be independent and a consumer paying larger tariffs, our political class are absolutely useless, hardly a decent one amongst the entire lot of them.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I think the vast majority of people who were pro-Brexit would admit that almost none of the advantages it could have brought to the country have been taken advantage of, Brexit meant more independence and that means you need to start moving in the direction of industry, manufacture and the likes, you can't be independent and a consumer paying larger tariffs, our political class are absolutely useless, hardly a decent one amongst the entire lot of them.

I honestly don't believe the vast majority of people who were pro-Brexit knew why they were.

 

[ned_werby]

Financially, no better or worse to my knowledge, but content with the fact that I can contribute,change a incompetent Government(don’t get me started) every 5 years or less,rather than be dictated to by bureaucrats in Brussels,but would add Trump is really pissing me off with his Ukraine rhetoric and would love the idea of a strong European army and tell him to Fcuk off

Do you have any concrete examples of that?

 

[ned_werby]

You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

https://www.theedgyveg.com/2019/07/22/how-to-make-a-vegan-omelet/

 

[alcoauth]

https://www.theedgyveg.com/2019/07/22/how-to-make-a-vegan-omelet/

Might as well snip yer nads off cos eating that is more or less the same thing.

 

[alcoauth]

I honestly don't believe the vast majority of people who were pro-Brexit knew why they were.

You're right in that a big part of the vote was about telling Westminster to eff off.