Off Topic WW3 How Close?

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Wayne the Punk said:
So let them get away with whatever they want?
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What do you mean “get away”, in their eyes it is their historic land, either we go in with the nukes and battle it out to the death, or we use diplomacy to try and find a solution, the latter remains untried because our leaders are arrogant and deluded.
 
alcoauth said:
What do you mean “get away”, in their eyes it is their historic land, either we go in with the nukes and battle it out to the death, or we use diplomacy to try and find a solution, the latter remains untried because our leaders are arrogant and deluded.
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The Russians took over in the 18th century so we shouldn't allow them to claim it as historically theirs. It just serves Putins narrative. By this measure it would mean the Norwegians, French, and Italians could lay claim to England again.

Plus after the initial invasion the Ukrainians were ready to give in to the demands to not join nato but Russia refused as they also wanted all territory already taken and for regime change as part of the deal.

This has nothing to do with history or chasing nazis out of Ukraine, this is everything about power and money and the only way to stop Russia rebuilding the Soviet Union is by stopping them in ukraine
 
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Millfield Maestro 1879 said:
The Russians took over in the 18th century so we shouldn't allow them to claim it as historically theirs.
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That’s debatable to say the least, the Russian nation traces it’s roots to the proto-Slavic groups that arrived in Novgorod and traversed the Dnipro river controlling trade, it’s much older than the 18th century, Ukrainians are an offshoot, like Scots In Edinburgh with no attested history of Gaelic, only ever speaking English, but the formation of a different state and distance means they’re considered a different people.

Either way, what is needed is diplomacy, not a debate over ideas that can never be resolved.
 
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alcoauth said:
That’s debatable to say the least, the Russian nation traces it’s roots to the proto-Slavic groups that arrived in Novgorod and traversed the Dnipro river controlling trade, it’s much older than the 18th century, Ukrainians are an offshoot, like Scots In Edinburgh with no attested history of Gaelic, only ever speaking English, but the formation of a different state and distance means they’re considered a different people.
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Either way, what is needed is diplomacy, not a debate over ideas that can never be resolved.[/QUOTE]
In that case the Polish and Lithuanians as well as others could lay the same claim. Totally unreasonable.

Either way, what is needed is diplomacy, not a debate over ideas that can never be resolved.[/QUOTE]
I'm all for diplomacy but not giving an aggressor what they have no right too. What would that teach other potential aggressors??
 
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alcoauth said:
What do you mean “get away”, in their eyes it is their historic land, either we go in with the nukes and battle it out to the death, or we use diplomacy to try and find a solution, the latter remains untried because our leaders are arrogant and deluded.
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So just invade previous colonies, so India is ours?, you dont give any ground to these people as they will always want more
 
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us and america have sent jets over, all we need now is russians to get involved and that's the start of all out war
 
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