Off Topic WW3 How Close?

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Some terrible videos emerging of Ukrainian soldiers attacking Indian students. There's also videos of them shooting Russian POW's in the legs and beating them up. Another video shows the Ukraine soldiers video calling the Mother of a dead Russian soldier and mocking her.

may not actually be as it seems...

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I did question the top video but it cut off straight after the shooting. In the second video you can clearly see the injuries. There's videos also posted by Ivan who is one of the leaders in the Azov brigade
 
I did question the top video but it cut off straight after the shooting. In the second video you can clearly see the injuries. There's videos also posted by Ivan who is one of the leaders in the Azov brigade
Unfortunately it's war and there will be atrocities comitted by both sides.

Personally i think the Russians could have avoided any harsh treatment by not invading in the first place.
 
Unfortunately it's war and there will be atrocities comitted by both sides.

Personally i think the Russians could have avoided any harsh treatment by not invading in the first place.
Agreed :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
I also have my doubts about these Ukranian atrocities being put on social media.

There's no doubt at all that Ukraine is winning the propoganda war. Posting these sort of things only benefits Russia.

Then we need to consider if the videos are genuine, who were the acvtual victims? If they are seperatists and not Russian military are they executed as traitors? Russia have had soldiers in the Dombas region "on holidays" for years, does that not make them spies? Far too may grey areas and mistruths for my mind.
 
In an attempt to demilitarize and de'nazify' Ukraine, Russia has exposed how poor its military really is - what happened to all their next generation kit? - and will end up with more weapons and more NATO interference on its borders rather than less. With the added bonus of being sent back to the stone age economically and China lubing them up as the only source of money they can access.

There are Ukrainian farmers now with more military hardware than some countries.

As Clarkson and co. say, 'that's not gone well'.