That's what confuses me, how Boris and Trump ever got into power. Farage waiting in the wings is alarming as well
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As far as I'm concerned this is all a foregone conclusion, it would require Labour and the Tories to completely reverse course and I don't see any sign of that happening.
Worth a watch if you've the time, the younger leftists take on why their peers are increasingly moving right, I feel like they're very close to understanding what is going on, though I'd argue they're still missing a few pieces, if you can't understand what is going on this might bring you a tad closer:
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I suspect ‘Reform’ will be like the Thousand Year Reich …
… gain fanatical followers who don’t have a clue what the policies are but are clearly xenophobic as a minimum, have a few moments of glory and end up with the leaders running away with piles of stolen gold.
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I agree with you mate..... My only worry is....and this is especially for the next election... If Reform gain any kind of power, much like the Republicans in the States, then it will be massively detrimental to our country. When I say " any kind of power" ...we could end up with a coalition government next time with Reform holding some levers of power. Can't see any one party winning outright next time
Trump once said that republicans are stupid, you can feed them lies and they will run with it, and why it would be easy to run for president
the pumpkin fuher will get rid of the constitution and make himself president for life, like his pal Putin did.
and yet, zelensky is a dicator.
only hope that things get worse in the states and one of the redneck yokels actaully takes a shot at him.
Potential Civil War on the cards over there mate
We’ve got rid of the unelected leeches from the EUI see you watch this thread, but don't put up much about the benefits of Brexit
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for sure
the fact that guns have more rights than a 10yr child that gets r*ped and is forced to carry a child, when they are still a child is shocking. well women in general has less rights. yet its the illegal aliens from Mexico which is the issue....
they claim they are no1 in the world for everything.
No1 laughing stock
Blonde and his mates still bitter after 5 yearsI see you watch this thread, but don't put up much about the benefits of Brexit
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The biggest enemy to reform is asking them what their policies are. Almost without fail they are borderline unworkable and completely fail to benefit the lives of the people who consider themselves their constituents. Witness their woeful proposal to tax renewables the other week. Pure culture war bollocks that just needs a second’s thought to show that it would hit the average person in the pocket. They don’t have any answers so just ask them questions every single day.
Last summer I was in a pub having lunch with the missus, the booth behind us two older blokes arrived and sat, probably shouldn't have been cocking my lugs but couldn't help it, two long lost mates haven't seen each other for years decided to meet for a catch up.
First half an hour the conversation was generic, how've you been etc, all the nice stuff about work and family etc then they slid into politics, took about 10-15 minutes before the conversation crescendoed about the dinghys, after back and forth the more liberal one barks "what do we do then? You can't just let them sink!", the crushendo was "gun them down from newly build coastal turrets", the liberal one got up and left.
I don’t see what brexit has to do with it
look at Europe, they don’t seem to be handling it well and ourselves with our European independence seem to be in cahoots with our European compatriots over this issue.
An alternative?
Firstly on America extracting resources, maybe true but up until the end of the Biden presidency the case in point was Ukrainian sovereignty and democracy and now trumps involved its resources.
secondly on resources, would you be surprised? American foreign policy exists to perpetuate American hegemony. This Ukrainian conflict has further weakened Europe and forced more reliance on American backed and funded resources than Russian gas for example.
they aren’t doing this for europes benefit and to nefariously suggest this is a trump administration issue is slightly disengenuous considering this mantra, American hegemony, has been the backbone of American foreign policy since the end of the Second World War.
furthermore the Russia as the aggressor narrative is loosely and inappropriately lauded. Yes their tanks rolled over the border in 2022 and it should never have happened. But It’s quite clear that the Americans facilitated a coup in 2014, this coup lead to division between east and west Ukraine and a state of basic civil war lasted from 2014-2022.
What bemoans me about geopolitics is people basically just accept American foreign policy but don’t understand that other players play the game to and ultimately who has the moral high ground? If you actually deep it, both sides are serving their own interests and ordinary Ukraine are paying the price.
I think the UK had a good influence on Europe and we were both stronger as a result ...
... in my view it wasn't all about what we got out of it.
Excellent post.
I would add, what else do people expect? Countries/empires/people take their own sides and always have and always will.
to be fair I’m not incredibly well read on brexit, I didn’t vote due to residence reasons, it does pain me passing through airport immigration but thankfully I have foreign id to get the best of both worlds.
There's a lot of sense in that and, to an extent, that's why we have a government.
We just hope that our interests have at least equal billing as their self-interest.
It's funny seeing the comparisons with the Mags and Farage supporters ...
... they both believe that money will be spent on the right things.
Much of the money at Newcastle goes towards blatant sportswashing but the Mags believe it would be spent on the team is it wasn't for those pesky financial regulators poking their noses in ...
... and the good people of Clacton, like all the other 'Reformers', will think every penny of the donations will go towards improving their circumstances.
Not a single penny will go into Nigel's back pocket
sort of nail on the head
The US hasn’t been sending billions to Ukraine to preserve sovereignty and democracy just as it does not send cash and weapons to the likes of Estonia from the goodness of one’s heart.
I know he’s a war hawk but when Lindsay Graham is on tv and he’s literally saying ‘hundreds of thousands of Russians have died and not one American’, I find it deplorable that not only zero respect is shown for the sacrifice of Ukrainians but said sacrifice is given on the altar of American foreign policy and hegemony.