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even at the cost of paying him triple what any of those guys are getting paid?

Xhaka is on 90k
Ramsey is on 110k
Kolasinac is on 130k
Mkhitarian is on 180k
Aubamayangs on 200k
Ozil is on 350k

Wilshere is on 90k a week. Rumours are Arsenal have offered him less.
 
Mustafi, and Xhaka have not performed below Wilshere.

From a statistical perspective Mustafi is the top performing player in the team:
https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/13/Show/England-Arsenal

Xhaka is also considerably above Wilshere statistically.

Now, your subjective opinion may differ, but you have to at least appreciate that everyone else has a much better reason to disagree than jump on the negative bandwagon. Honestly, I just don't get the negativity around either of them.
Those ratings are accumulative rather than an average score. Hence why Walcott is at the bottom of the list. Wilshere has played less games.

It's easy to pick the right stats for an argument.
 
Xhaka is on 90k
Ramsey is on 110k
Kolasinac is on 130k
Mkhitarian is on 180k
Aubamayangs on 200k
Ozil is on 350k

Wilshere is on 90k a week. Rumours are Arsenal have offered him less.

Rumours are they offered him 80 whereas jack actually want an increase.

Secondly why u comparing him to your top earners when he's much less proven than the top earners and also that you were comparing him to the underperforming players.

Of that list only xhaka is there
 
Rumours are they offered him 80 whereas jack actually want an increase.

Secondly why u comparing him to your top earners when he's much less proven than the top earners and also that you were comparing him to the underperforming players.

Of that list only xhaka is there
I heard he was just asking for the 90. Which I think is about right.

Xhaka is on 90, Ramsey on 110, not sure what Elneny's new contract is worth.

Nobody wants to take a paycut especially when new guys are coming in and earning 2-3 times as much.
 
Those ratings are accumulative rather than an average score. Hence why Walcott is at the bottom of the list. Wilshere has played less games.

It's easy to pick the right stats for an argument.

Honestly, this has to be one of the most non-intellectual posts in the entire history of the forum Bear. I should know, I've made many of them!

A mere glance will tell you that they are per game, minutes played, or % stats.

I think you are being fooled by the ratings being calculated in real time, and are "cumulative" in that sense, but the word cumulative means they can go up or down. It doesn't mean that they are just a running total from a calculative perspective and can only go up. You have to realize that whoscored ratings do go down if a player has a bad performance?

How is Aubamayang at the top side of it after 7 games? How is Mkhi so high after 5, plus two sub appearances?

You can't be taken seriously if you are going to post this sort of thing. The whole point of the ratings are to attempt to provide an objective view of performance. I haven't chosen any particular stats. This is the one overall total performance statistic that is available.

Your entire post is nonsense.
 
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Honestly, this has to be one of the most non-intellectual posts in the entire history of the forum Bear. I should know, I've made many of them!

A mere glance will tell you that they are per game, minutes played, or % stats.

I think you are being fooled by the ratings being calculated in real time, and are "cumulative" in that sense, but the word cumulative means they can go up or down. It doesn't mean that they are just a running total from a calculative perspective and can only go up. You have to realize that whoscored ratings do go down if a player has a bad performance?

How is Aubamayang at the top side of it after 7 games? How is Mkhi so high after 5, plus two sub appearances?

You can't be taken seriously if you are going to post this sort of thing. The whole point of the ratings are to attempt to provide an objective view of performance. I haven't chosen any particular stats. This is the one overall total performance statistic that is available.

Your entire post is nonsense.
You're becoming one of my favourite posters these days.
 
I disagree

1.) he’s homegrown
2.) he would be a free transfer
3.) he’s a proven, English, premier league player.

I think if someone else gets him they will give him more money just based on the fact he doesn’t command a transfer fee.
'proven' what exactly? That's he's English and has played some premier league football?
 
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Absolute non-sense. There's been an anti- Wilshere narrative going around for far too long in the press, much like there was with Walcott (which ironically seems to have disapated now he plays for Everton). He's an exellent player and useful squad member.

Arsene Wenger sides over the past 10-12 years have often been combated by sitting deep and counter attacking. You cant always play through these kinds of sides. Sometimes you need players who can carry the ball in tight areas as well as simply pass to feet. Wilshere gives us that. (Carzorla of course could do that too)

He also has shown on multiple occassions this Seasons when the side is playing like **** - he still puts in a decent shift. I can think of 6-7 times this Season where Wilshere has looked like the only player giving the required level of perfortmance. He certainly doesnt deserve criticism for this Season. Ive been to the Emirates 12 times this Season watched some dismal displays but for the most part Wilshere has been one of our best performers. The guy is a gooner through and through and we always get commitment from him. Plus the local fans love him.

If he can stay fit he's going to improve, the guy has had alot of time on the sidelines and as far as I'm concerned he's already a better player than Elneny or Xhaka.
And, as is being proving at Everton, Walcott is bang average and in his place at a bang average club in a bang average team.

Being a gooner through and through and being loved by the locals are not validations of him being good enough for AFC.
 
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I'm a bit split on Wilshere. He's got bags of natural talent and he does read the game well. But is he quick and strong enough for life at a top club week in week out. I'm not sure. He's injury prone, we know that and he does have a tendency to have absolute shockers when he's off form. But I still think he's worth hanging onto.
 
'proven' what exactly? That's he's English and has played some premier league football?

while I dont think hes necessarily a world beater, I think he is proven in the sense that he has international pedigree as well as premier league and champions league experience.
 
I heard he was just asking for the 90. Which I think is about right.

Xhaka is on 90, Ramsey on 110, not sure what Elneny's new contract is worth.

Nobody wants to take a paycut especially when new guys are coming in and earning 2-3 times as much.

If you think Wilshere deserves to be earning £90k p/w, God help you. He's proven very little at the highest level on a consistent basis and you want to hand out wages like that just because he's an Arsenal lad and shows commitment? If that's the bar for increasing a player's wages, why don't we hand Jenkinson a bumper new contract as well?

This is exactly why we don't compete with any of the top sides. The refusal to accept that certain players aren't good enough and clinging onto them for dear life just because they had potential when they were younger.

Let's just accept it. A lot of us thought Wilshere was going to be a top-quality, world-class central midfielder when he was younger. He had all the attributes. However, he has not progressed as expected for a number of reasons. Now? He is a slightly-above-average Premier League central midfielder. At 26 years of age, he is not going to significantly improve his game.

I don't care if people are earning 2-3 times more than him. So what? Besides, he's hardly going to be starving on £80k p/w, is he?

Honestly, I can guarantee you now he will not be earning £80-£90k anywhere else unless he moves to China.

He should either accept the deal we've given him or move on. We have to play hard ball on this.
 
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while I dont think hes necessarily a world beater, I think he is proven in the sense that he has international pedigree as well as premier league and champions league experience.
So..

Played for England.
Played in the Premier league.
Played a few times in the champions league.

None of those three are things that make you good enough for AFC.
 
So..

Played for England.
Played in the Premier league.
Played a few times in the champions league.

None of those three are things that make you good enough for AFC.

I agree, I was simply stating that’s why some other team will give him the contract he wants. I could see either of City for having a good squad player, or Everton for example wanting him on a free.
 
Honestly, this has to be one of the most non-intellectual posts in the entire history of the forum Bear. I should know, I've made many of them!

First of all, "accumulative" isn't even a word in statistics.

I'm assuming you mean aggregate or cumulative, and they are neither. A mere glance will tell you that they are per game, minutes played, or % stats and that the rating is the average of all the stats.

You can't be taken seriously if you are going to post this sort of thing. The whole point of the ratings are to attempt to provide an objective view of performance. I haven't chosen any particular stats. This is the one overall total performance statistic that is available.

Your entire post is nonsense.

Dude..
You can't be taken seriously if you are going to post this sort of thing.
did YOU serioulsy just post this?

Nobody here takes you seriously already. I was at work and dont have time to spend all day arguing about statistics.

Besides there are too many variables. The best statistic we can use for this kind of thing is actually just wins and losses. Our best performances this Season have all come with Wilshere in the squad.
 
Honestly, I can guarantee you now he will not be earning £80-£90k anywhere else unless he moves to China.

He should either accept the deal we've given him or move on. We have to play hard ball on this.

Juve, Milan, Man United and Everton have all shown an interest in Wilshere.

He's shown enough this Season to attract the interest - I will bet you money that if Wilshere leaves Arsenal this Summer he is on more than £80kpw.
 
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