All the conflict on this board is getting a bit crass and making me feel subhuman, maybe a flux of pink indians will brighten the mood
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Have i logged on to the j*ck board by mistake? Seems to be a serious amount of argy bargy on this and other threads. Calm down lads lol
Can't be the Swans board he's banned for this very reason. Power to the people!!! 
My take for what it's worth is that Aber has a point in that spying on private individuals has got out of hand. But like many, I accept it has to be done to a degree. The terror plots that are foiled because of monitoring we never get to hear about but it's work the security services do day in day out.
There are many within the Islamic world who want to wipe us of the face of the planet. Not because of us meddling in their affairs (I accept that hasn't helped) but because it's mandated by the Qu'ran. Who is going to stop them if anarchy reigned - nobody. If the 'Establishment' didn't exist in 1939 we'd all be speaking German right now and everyone would have blonde hair.
Night night.
My take for what it's worth is that Aber has a point in that spying on private individuals has got out of hand. But like many, I accept it has to be done to a degree. The terror plots that are foiled because of monitoring we never get to hear about but it's work the security services do day in day out.
There are many within the Islamic world who want to wipe us of the face of the planet. Not because of us meddling in their affairs (I accept that hasn't helped) but because it's mandated by the Qu'ran. Who is going to stop them if anarchy reigned - nobody. If the 'Establishment' didn't exist in 1939 we'd all be speaking German right now and everyone would have blonde hair.
Night night.
No argey bargey intended from me guys. I probably made a mistake by posting a couple of tongue in cheek comments on aber's "serious" thread to the extent I got the usual verbal takedown by the OP.
Can't help it, I just had to respond - no harm done. Different strokes for different folks and all that.
I'm sure aber and I will resume normal relationships and avoid each others threads in future - I don't want a visit from the CIA, nor him for that matter.....
Can't help it, I just had to respond - no harm done. Different strokes for different folks and all that.
I'm sure aber and I will resume normal relationships and avoid each others threads in future - I don't want a visit from the CIA, nor him for that matter.....
Sayer.I like your take on this lol......very anti pastie
Aussie u can.bet your bottom.dollar that of they did break a plot by Muslims we would be the first 2know about it......they are using terrorism as an excuse 2try and keep us under the so.called protective.umbrella............one billion emails and txt conversions are a lot 2sift through and no.doubt that will help extremists get away with murder.
Sparks seems we have.fallen out since I dont do much footy talk........is that such an issue ....really?.......let's just say I couldn't.give a flying Fk who signs for cardiff.city.....its not in my hands and it never has been......I take what we get as its not my money im wasting...............welcome.2the.world of high drama of prem football....morally wrong in every way.
Welcome.2nazi.Britain.........if you.don't conform.your door.will be.put through.and u can be jailed.without a.trial........does this seem like a.free.country.....not in my world.
Aussie u can.bet your bottom.dollar that of they did break a plot by Muslims we would be the first 2know about it......they are using terrorism as an excuse 2try and keep us under the so.called protective.umbrella............one billion emails and txt conversions are a lot 2sift through and no.doubt that will help extremists get away with murder.
Sparks seems we have.fallen out since I dont do much footy talk........is that such an issue ....really?.......let's just say I couldn't.give a flying Fk who signs for cardiff.city.....its not in my hands and it never has been......I take what we get as its not my money im wasting...............welcome.2the.world of high drama of prem football....morally wrong in every way.
Welcome.2nazi.Britain.........if you.don't conform.your door.will be.put through.and u can be jailed.without a.trial........does this seem like a.free.country.....not in my world.
It's a case.of I've got nowhere else.2go......in the words of.an.officer and the gentleman.
As players go I've seen it all from the great 2the bad.....but it doesn't stop my support for the club like it.did with thousands and cardiff and Swansea fans when we resided in the lowest of divisions.........I'll be there with my little pick and.shovel when we.go.back 2 where we came from....how about you.
As players go I've seen it all from the great 2the bad.....but it doesn't stop my support for the club like it.did with thousands and cardiff and Swansea fans when we resided in the lowest of divisions.........I'll be there with my little pick and.shovel when we.go.back 2 where we came from....how about you.
Sparkey. I would leave this thread well alone mate. Aber is anti everything, and usually doesnt have a decent arguement to the contrary. In his view for example, i am an ex serviceman of 25 years standing and i am just a murdering barsteward in his eyes.
Each to thier own, but Hyde park corner is the best place for his ramblings.
Each to thier own, but Hyde park corner is the best place for his ramblings.
Maybe u should.practice what u preach Ronnie..........tell me what does the army exactly do......how many people have died at the hands of our armed forces..........myself I've never taking a man's woman's or kids life.......how.about you brave soldier.................war means death and destruction and don't forget the chaos....................who created chemical weapons the forces or the man on the street.
Take your head for.a shi.t Ronnie cos your spewing verbal diarrhea over my anti.establishment thread......say something constructive for once, cos life isn't a box of chocolates Mr.gump.
Take your head for.a shi.t Ronnie cos your spewing verbal diarrhea over my anti.establishment thread......say something constructive for once, cos life isn't a box of chocolates Mr.gump.
Aber,
Yes there are the deaths of people who are not directly involved in military action but the majority are not intentional and always regrettable. Glad to hear you haven't taken another's life but you haven't been shy about telling anyone who would listen about your violent past. Based on that alone I'd suggest more luck thank judgement was involved in you not killing someone.
How about answering my questions in thread #19 as it appears you do not want to discuss anything other wanting people to agree with your point of view.
Yes there are the deaths of people who are not directly involved in military action but the majority are not intentional and always regrettable. Glad to hear you haven't taken another's life but you haven't been shy about telling anyone who would listen about your violent past. Based on that alone I'd suggest more luck thank judgement was involved in you not killing someone.
How about answering my questions in thread #19 as it appears you do not want to discuss anything other wanting people to agree with your point of view.
Ronny (and others) - Aber went off on one with me because I tried (wrongly apparently) to lighten the thread with a couple of throwaway posts that seemed to upset him.
I've said my piece on this thread and also on the one I'd posted on which Aber sought revenge by ridiculing the subject matter.
Motives for posting threads vary - some want to talk purely about football - some fly off at a tangent for a laugh with no regard for football matters at all (dear old Proph was an expert), and others want to make a statement about strongly held beliefs.
This thread is obviously one of the latter, and I suppose you could argue that's fair for an open forum. What we tend to forget is that those who read this lot hold widely differeing views on the subject which lead to some heated and contentious comments.
I'm not a believer in overt moderation to the same extent that Aber is plainly not an enthusiast for covert actions, but at least we should be able to accept other's take on the subject matter. The problem is we never will, and it'll descend into what we see here due to posters taking up entrenched positions.
Personally, and this is only my opinion, this sort of soapbox issue is not appropriate for what is essentially a football and chat forum. No amount of time spent abusing each other on here over such matters will save a single life in the real world.
I've said my piece on this thread and also on the one I'd posted on which Aber sought revenge by ridiculing the subject matter.
Motives for posting threads vary - some want to talk purely about football - some fly off at a tangent for a laugh with no regard for football matters at all (dear old Proph was an expert), and others want to make a statement about strongly held beliefs.
This thread is obviously one of the latter, and I suppose you could argue that's fair for an open forum. What we tend to forget is that those who read this lot hold widely differeing views on the subject which lead to some heated and contentious comments.
I'm not a believer in overt moderation to the same extent that Aber is plainly not an enthusiast for covert actions, but at least we should be able to accept other's take on the subject matter. The problem is we never will, and it'll descend into what we see here due to posters taking up entrenched positions.
Personally, and this is only my opinion, this sort of soapbox issue is not appropriate for what is essentially a football and chat forum. No amount of time spent abusing each other on here over such matters will save a single life in the real world.
Taff I can assure you that regret.isnt part of.war.........they take innocent.lives without any care.or.feelings..................regards.2.item 19 how do I know how anarchy.works its never happened in our history.....we.have always been controlled.by either.religion or.force.by imprisonment of.anyone questioning the powers.that be............can it work maybe,what I can tell.you is that the.way we.have it now isn't working for.a.minority.............in a.way its similar 2tans view if 80percent.are.happy then.Fk the.minority of twenty.percent..... ......typical
tell.me.how.the.Nazi party took control in.Germany.........false flags and beating.up.anyone.who didn't.agree with its.deadly policies..........:..u can liken me as.the.resistance and I'll take u as 2scared 2step out of line.....we all.know the outcome of.that.situation don't we.......millions.died
Aber, I beg to differ, individuals involved in any killing do feel regret and many of the lads suffering PTSD prove that point. The fact you have not been in that type of environment does not mean your point is any less valid but you cannot make a generalisation based on your belief alone. I know ex-servicemen who have spent 22 years in the forces and have never been to an active ware zone. Equally many have been to active zones and never shot a round in anger or indeed never been that close to the action. Modern warfare has meant less hand to hand combat or trench warfare. Your points of reference are historic and do not take into account the differing climates at the time.
In my opinion the anarchists (who as you say are a minority) would be just as bad as current governments if not worse as they will have to fight to keep themselves in power. The only way they could do that is to either spy on the people or oppress those they feel are a threat. That much history has taught us through the actions of Stalin, Hitler, Chairman Mao etc, etc....
You cannot compare the Nazi movement with the situation today. The German people at that time were suffering because of the 1st world war and the draconian measures of the Versailles agreement. Hitler was an extremely persuasive individual who tapped into the mind of all Germans based on their struggles. He brought his own like minded people and sycophants into power and that's when the real evil began. He did unspeakable things to his own people as well as the jews, gypsies and political activists long before the 2nd world war.
There are disaffected people out there, and believe me it includes a lot of ex-servicemen, that do not like the current government nor that of Blairs regime but they took the Queens shilling and served their country Welsh, Scots, northern Irish and English alike. Politicians may not regret the deaths of innocents but the vast majority of servicemen do.
In my opinion the anarchists (who as you say are a minority) would be just as bad as current governments if not worse as they will have to fight to keep themselves in power. The only way they could do that is to either spy on the people or oppress those they feel are a threat. That much history has taught us through the actions of Stalin, Hitler, Chairman Mao etc, etc....
You cannot compare the Nazi movement with the situation today. The German people at that time were suffering because of the 1st world war and the draconian measures of the Versailles agreement. Hitler was an extremely persuasive individual who tapped into the mind of all Germans based on their struggles. He brought his own like minded people and sycophants into power and that's when the real evil began. He did unspeakable things to his own people as well as the jews, gypsies and political activists long before the 2nd world war.
There are disaffected people out there, and believe me it includes a lot of ex-servicemen, that do not like the current government nor that of Blairs regime but they took the Queens shilling and served their country Welsh, Scots, northern Irish and English alike. Politicians may not regret the deaths of innocents but the vast majority of servicemen do.
There hasn't been.a war since.the 2nd.world.war.when.cannon fodder.had bollocks.......like.u say its bombs from a distance these days at any Target......hence the fact we.are paying.out money.2family member.who's lost.someone.close...plenty.of.kids.have.died.because of the process......do u feel.proud 2be part of.such devastation...............my mate was on Croatia not.doing.anything bar watching atrocities......he is no longer with us thanks 2the.mental health drugs he was on after it..he overdosed..........do.u feel u are.fighting for.your country lol........your a capitalist private.army with nowt but.control on they're minds...........well done.for helping these.sick.fks.who wouldn't.spit at you of.u were on.fire.
u havnt helped the public one bit on these.shores all you've done is poke the stick into.a.hornets nest.............I.be.happy if.they take it out our forces or governments.and not.the.public which would be the.sensible.response.from.Islamic.extremist.......leave me.and others out of.it and hit the right areas.......but.hey Ho we.don't.get the.same.protection.as.you boys we just sit there in.fear of.reprisals.
Wmd In Iraq lol.....lying.fks............surely.an illegal war if there ever was one.........my butty only looked after the pipelines or so he said.............remember the first invasion when saddam set fire 2the oil fields.....he knew what we wanted yeah......he paid in the end by having his.head ripped from his body by our saintly western.ways.
u havnt helped the public one bit on these.shores all you've done is poke the stick into.a.hornets nest.............I.be.happy if.they take it out our forces or governments.and not.the.public which would be the.sensible.response.from.Islamic.extremist.......leave me.and others out of.it and hit the right areas.......but.hey Ho we.don't.get the.same.protection.as.you boys we just sit there in.fear of.reprisals.
Wmd In Iraq lol.....lying.fks............surely.an illegal war if there ever was one.........my butty only looked after the pipelines or so he said.............remember the first invasion when saddam set fire 2the oil fields.....he knew what we wanted yeah......he paid in the end by having his.head ripped from his body by our saintly western.ways.
Seen them all.dude..........brilliantly done.and.right on the button(not the.nuclear one mind) lol.
G8 coming up more.expense to the.tax payer........for them 2decide Africa can still.suffer.from.starvation...................democracy.hey u gotta love it.
G8 coming up more.expense to the.tax payer........for them 2decide Africa can still.suffer.from.starvation...................democracy.hey u gotta love it.