Where's the points coming from?

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MackemsRule said:
I for one can't wait for Catts and N'Diaye to play a few games together. two hustling and bustling players who will both put shifts in. N'D has impressed me with his team play and workrate. (Needs a few extra hours on the training pitch on his shooting mind :p )
Couple of new fullbacks and Gardner will be cover in MF.
Keeping our eyes open for a decent ball playing MFer wouldn't hurt though.
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N'Daiye and Cattermole, I don't see many goals there, a few bookings but not many goals.
 
MackemsRule said:
Sunderland v Fulham (3)
QPR v Sunderland (1)
Sunderland v Norwich (3)
Sunderland v Man Utd (0)
Chelsea v Sunderland (0)
Newcastle v Sunderland (3)
Sunderland v Everton (1)
Villa v Sunderland (3)
Sunderland v Stoke (3)
Sunderland v Southampton (3)
Tottenham v Sunderland (1)
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21 points from our remaining 11 games, I am all for being a little confident but come on, we will do well to get half that amount. I can't begin to understand what you are basing this on because it isn't the reality that we all see.
 
shiney-mackem said:
21 points from our remaining 11 games, I am all for being a little confident but come on, we will do well to get half that amount. I can't begin to understand what you are basing this on because it isn't the reality that we all see.
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So only the reality you see is the one that counts?

I have seen us lose games through bad luck or individual errors that have cost us.
Take last weeks game, two goals for them a penalty and **** defending by two of our most experienced players for the second. A denied penalty for us that was as blatant as they come.
Not a lot was said about Sess's great goal, or Fletchers fine placed effort that came off the post or the ****ing horrible snapshots we missed.
If Fletchers shot had gone in instead of bouncing off the post it would have been a whole different game.
The one thing about the prem is you have to take your chances when they pop up.
You're talking as if we are getting hammered every game, which isn't true and the teams I have took us to beat are better than ours, again untrue.
As long as all are fit I see absolutely no reason we can't win the matches I listed.
The only result I thought long and hard about was the Spuds, I am hoping we will be going there on a high!
 
MackemsRule said:
So only the reality you see is the one that counts?

I have seen us lose games through bad luck or individual errors that have cost us.
Take last weeks game, two goals for them a penalty and **** defending by two of our most experienced players for the second. A denied penalty for us that was as blatant as they come.
Not a lot was said about Sess's great goal, or Fletchers fine placed effort that came off the post or the ****ing horrible snapshots we missed.
If Fletchers shot had gone in instead of bouncing off the post it would have been a whole different game.
The one thing about the prem is you have to take your chances when they pop up.
You're talking as if we are getting hammered every game, which isn't true and the teams I have took us to beat are better than ours, again untrue.
As long as all are fit I see absolutely no reason we can't win the matches I listed.
The only result I thought long and hard about was the Spuds, I am hoping we will be going there on a high!
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You are only kidding yourself, you can say if's and but's all day long but we are nowhere near good enough to get 21 points from our remaining 33. I will take no pleasure in saying I told you so. The original poster obviously see's the same reality as I do. If WBA's lad had put that header in when it was easier to score or the perfectly good goal they scored that shouldn't have been ruled out it could have been embarrassing . It,s easy to post using if's and buts dosn't hide the facts though
 
shiney-mackem said:
You are only kidding yourself, you can say if's and but's all day long but we are nowhere near good enough to get 21 points from our remaining 33. I will take no pleasure in saying I told you so. The original poster obviously see's the same reality as I do. If WBA's lad had put that header in when it was easier to score or the perfectly good goal they scored that shouldn't have been ruled out it could have been embarrassing . It,s easy to post using if's and buts dosn't hide the facts though
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What facts?
You mean where your ifs and buts have more bearing than my own?
We are going through a spell where absolutely nothing seems to be going our way, it can't last forever.
We have some damn fine players who in all honesty aren't doing themselves justice.
They are more than capable of stepping up their game with a little bit of luck from the football Gods all those games are winnable.
You again state reality, the reality is we haven't played those games yet.
A good win against Fulham and confidence will be soaring.

If we had a **** team I would be "kidding" myself.
But as I don't think we have a **** team, I don't think I am.
Couple of new faces come summer and I would go as far as saying we have a very good team.
 
shiney-mackem said:
You are only kidding yourself, you can say if's and but's all day long but we are nowhere near good enough to get 21 points from our remaining 33. I will take no pleasure in saying I told you so. The original poster obviously see's the same reality as I do. If WBA's lad had put that header in when it was easier to score or the perfectly good goal they scored that shouldn't have been ruled out it could have been embarrassing . It,s easy to post using if's and buts dosn't hide the facts though
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I have just been saying on Sundermad, if MoN had followed Stuart Lancaster, the England Rugby coach. When he took over the team consisted of a bunch of big headed boozy underachievers. Forget warm weather training he took his new squad to a windy cold Yorkshire training centre.

Dubai forget it, they should have trained on a Roker beach, with snow and wind coming horizontal at them and learned to concentrate and not give silly penalties or poor back passes, or lose concentration and focus in front of goal. Fours hours of training on Roker beach should help them remember the basics and how to keep focus.
 
MackemsRule said:
What facts?
You mean where your ifs and buts have more bearing than my own?
We are going through a spell where absolutely nothing seems to be going our way, it can't last forever.
We have some damn fine players who in all honesty aren't doing themselves justice.
They are more than capable of stepping up their game with a little bit of luck from the football Gods all those games are winnable.
You again state reality, the reality is we haven't played those games yet.
A good win against Fulham and confidence will be soaring.

If we had a **** team I would be "kidding" myself.
But as I don't think we have a **** team, I don't think I am.
Couple of new faces come summer and I would go as far as saying we have a very good team.
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I have been fortunate to have seen all but 1 game this season, and the word unlucky dosn't describe our season. I don't think we have a ****e team I think we have a decent first 11 and I have no worries about relegation . What we have is a very defensive minded manager who is struggling to come up with a plan B. Our best performance this season by a mile was the 3-0 win over West Ham, now after a result and dominant performance like that you would think confidence would be sky high and we would have kicked on. What happened was L,W,D,L,L,L. This is the reality I base my opinions on.
 
shiney-mackem said:
I have been fortunate to have seen all but 1 game this season, and the word unlucky dosn't describe our season. I don't think we have a ****e team I think we have a decent first 11 and I have no worries about relegation . What we have is a very defensive minded manager who is struggling to come up with a plan B. Our best performance this season by a mile was the 3-0 win over West Ham, now after a result and dominant performance like that you would think confidence would be sky high and we would have kicked on. What happened was L,W,D,L,L,L. This is the reality I base my opinions on.
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I tend to lean towards this & it drags me back to when we twatted Chelsea 3-0 at the Bridge under Bruce.
That team was never played again.

Similarities? :emoticon-0112-wonde:emoticon-0138-think:emoticon-0176-smoke
 
Billy D said:
I tend to lean towards this & it drags me back to when we twatted Chelsea 3-0 at the Bridge under Bruce.
That team was never played again.

Similarities? :emoticon-0112-wonde:emoticon-0138-think:emoticon-0176-smoke
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Some good posts here lads. Part of Sunderland's problem it seems to me is that for the past three seasons or so you get off to a decent enough start but then for some reason go on a long run of not picking enough wins or points. You are on one of those runs now, beat Fulham though and I think you'll be ok.
 
concrete tony said:
Party of the mags problems are exactly the same. 4 weeks ago pardew was a **** and had to go! your board was full of it! Worry about your own team, there are plenty of us on here worrying about ours :emoticon-0109-kiss:
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There are still plenty of newcastle fans who think pardew is a ****.

Not me though, he's had his hands tied because ashley wouldn't spend any cash. Once he did, in january, we started to win games.
 
Another Mag problem! As soon as anything goes wrong it's time to hate and blame Ashley despite him saving your club. He may have got things wrong at the start to listening to the wrong people and appointing the wrong people (Shearer) but his tenure as a chairman stands up pretty well. You say Ashley wouldn't spend any cash but I'd bet someof your players got bigger contracts etc after last years performance and he has spent cash and in the last few seasons spent it well. Your teams performance comes down to Pardew not Ashley.
 
concrete tony said:
Another Mag problem! As soon as anything goes wrong it's time to hate and blame Ashley despite him saving your club. He may have got things wrong at the start to listening to the wrong people and appointing the wrong people (Shearer) but his tenure as a chairman stands up pretty well. You say Ashley wouldn't spend any cash but I'd bet someof your players got bigger contracts etc after last years performance and he has spent cash and in the last few seasons spent it well. Your teams performance comes down to Pardew not Ashley.
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So if it comes down to Pardew then the fans were right in having a go at him then?

I'd rather have Ellis Short as owner than Mike Ashley. Ashley has definitely got some things right but we cocked up by not strengthening during the summer and the buck has to stop with Ashley. He took a gamble in not spending and it backfired.
 
Ellis Short definitley has more class however I would blame O'Neill not Short for problems. Now I've stuck by O'Neill and still stick by him. I think a manager needs time. Pardew has also earned a bit more respect from Mag fans. There are still mag fans spouting "he's only ashley's yes man". Newcastle over achieved last year, they were never going to do as well this year.

I would say you could blame Ashley if he was doing a bad job but he is not. He is certainly more realistic than Sheppard and co and much mcuh better! Remember Sheppard bankrupted the club. Did he walk away a penniless trier? Errr nope his pockets were stuffed with Newcastle's cash.

Anyway I've forgotten the original point now? Oh yes both clubs have plenty of problems and are by no means safe.
 
concrete tony said:
Ellis Short definitley has more class however I would blame O'Neill not Short for problems. Now I've stuck by O'Neill and still stick by him. I think a manager needs time. Pardew has also earned a bit more respect from Mag fans. There are still mag fans spouting "he's only ashley's yes man". Newcastle over achieved last year, they were never going to do as well this year.

I would say you could blame Ashley if he was doing a bad job but he is not. He is certainly more realistic than Sheppard and co and much mcuh better! Remember Sheppard bankrupted the club. Did he walk away a penniless trier? Errr nope his pockets were stuffed with Newcastle's cash.

Anyway I've forgotten the original point now? Oh yes both clubs have plenty of problems and are by no means safe.
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I think both clubs will be fine, you need that win against Fulham, we've had some cracking results of late.

Regarding Mike Ashley, my problem with him is that you just can't read what the bloke will do next, if we take two strides forward you can be sure he'll follow it with one stride backwards and a further one to the side.

Anyway, here's to both our glorious clubs climbing the league and continuing in the Premiership again next season <ok>
 
Sunderland v Fulham - 3
QPR v Sunderland - 3
Sunderland v Norwich - 3
Sunderland v Man Utd -0
Chelsea v Sunderland -0
Newcastle v Sunderland -1
Sunderland v Everton -0
Villa v Sunderland -3
Sunderland v Stoke -3
Sunderland v Southampton -3
Tottenham v Sunderland -0

I have got us on 48 points, not quite sure how really because I don't think were that good but I think we will beat Fulham at the weekend and go on a run of wins which will end against Man U. Villa away should be 3 points, they are currently terrible and we have a good record against Stoke at home.

The next 3 games are massive.
 
Just watching the West Ham v Spurs game, that's a lovely tribute to Bobby Moore......MOORE 6.....with the fans holding up cards at one end of the ground.
 
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