When Will Starmer Go?

[Ubedizzytoo]

Earlier this year at PMQ's Kemi Badenoch asked the PM if the security vetting had mentioned Mandy's relationship with Epstein, and he replied "Yes it did". So he did know about the vetting. How can he talk his way out of this? Looks like a smoking gun to me.

“I was told that the vetting process did make mention of a relationship with Epstein and I answered the Honourable lady’s question accordingly. However the details of that relationship were not made available to me, as per the due process of that vetting. I am absolutely furious that more detail was not provided to me and my cabinet colleagues. I have today commissioned an inquiry to fully investigate this matter and it will, in due course, make its findings available to members in this house. I will ensure that this situation will not be allowed to happen again in the future.”

 

[lardiman]

The latest I heard on the radio is that Keir Starmer did not say in the Commons that Mandy had passed the vetting process.
He apparently said that due process had been completed.
Which is technically correct.
But not saying that the process revealed Mandy was not fit to be US Ambassador is not an insignificant technical glitch.

The crystal clear implication of Starmer's Commons answer is that the due process had not disqualified Mandy.
That is just dishonesty.

Boiling it down, even this misleading is a side issue.
Peter Mandelson is a wrong 'un.
Even considering the notion that he should become US Ambassador reveals complete moral bankruptcy.

 

[dzc10]

Yes that's what I think as well. If you say 'Due process has been completed' I naturally infer that I know the result of it and that it has been passed. You don't infer, it has been completed and I don't know the result of it. This is like dancing on the head of a pin.

It takes a very strange person indeed to ask 'Has due process been Completed?' get the answer 'Yes it has' and then not ask for the result. Unless of course you deliberately didn't want to know because you suspected it might have been failed.

I can't really see how Starmer is going to get out of this.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

Yes that's what I think as well. If you say 'Due process has been completed' I naturally infer that I know the result of it and that it has been passed. You don't infer, it has been completed and I don't know the result of it. This is like dancing on the head of a pin.

It takes a very strange person indeed to ask 'Has due process been Completed?' get the answer 'Yes it has' and then not ask for the result. Unless of course you deliberately didn't want to know because you suspected it might have been failed.

I can't really see how Starmer is going to get out of this.

He will somehow.

He's not going to walk.

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

It’s absolutely clear that Starmer wanted Mandy as US Ambassador and that everyone knew that. He announced his appointment before the vetting process so it’s inconceivable that there was no pressure on civil servants to make sure that Mandy wasn’t excluded.

He failed the vetting, but it was clear that Starmer wanted him anyway and the civil servants knew that and acted accordingly, overruling the vetting result.

That they are apparently legally allowed to do that is nothing short of corruption and isn’t acceptable.

That they didn’t tell Starmer that Mandy had failed the vetting is not credible.

That Starmer didn’t ask if Mandy had failed or passed is not credible, unless he knew that he had failed already and so didn’t want to ask. That is then corruption.

Whatever the true scenario Starmer MUST resign immediately or be forced out by Labour MP’s. You cannot have the UK being led by a corrupt Prime Minister.

 

[The Penguin]

I think he's escaped by the skin of his teeth..................until the May elections, after which his position will be untenable. None of the potential challengers will want to own the disastrous results.

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

I think he's escaped by the skin of his teeth..................until the May elections, after which his position will be untenable. None of the potential challengers will want to own the disastrous results.

Yep. No one wants to be a new leader before the May elections.

Personally I hope Starmer stays until the next GE. Would be a wipe-out of Sunak proportions if he does .

 

[lardiman]

I think there is a disconnect now between the policy & implementation (how the Country is run)
and presentation (how the Government appears to conduct itself).

Running the Country should be 99% of the pie. And occupy that much attention.
The Economy
Housing
NHS, social & care services
Local Councils
Immigration
Law enforcement
Justice
Defence
Transport
Social mobility...
Stuff like that.

Yet it seems a majority of attention is constantly being dragged back to Presentation.
Sleaze
Dodgy characters
No.10
Poor judgment
Whitehall dramas
Dishonesty
Elitism
etc.

Appearance is apparently everything these days.
Even this morning on the BBC News, the Chancellor answered a few questions on camera.
She happens to be in Washington DC right now.
Was she interviewed in an office?
No.
She was standing outside in the open air somewhere, with the dome of the Capitol building clearly in view in the distance.
Why?
Because that image is likely deemed more important by spin doctors, than what Ms Reeves was actually saying.

Politics is superficial now. Showbiz showbiz.
Impressive backdrops, Suits shaking hands, flags on poles, lecterns, swanky dinners, handshakes.
And meanwhile, the things which drag normal people down - people who face a daily struggle just to make ends meet - go unregarded.
Progress (if any) made at a snail's pace.

People were promised CHANGE. But all we got was a change of faces.

EDIT:

Apologies, this perhaps should have gone into the Politics thread.
There is naturally a fair bit of overlap in the subject matter.

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

I think there is a disconnect now between the policy & implementation (how the Country is run)
and presentation (how the Government appears to conduct itself).

Running the Country should be 99% of the pie. And occupy that much attention.
The Economy
Housing
NHS, social & care services
Local Councils
Immigration
Law enforcement
Justice
Defence
Transport
Social mobility...
Stuff like that.

Yet it seems a majority of attention is constantly being dragged back to Presentation.
Sleaze
Dodgy characters
No.10
Poor judgment
Whitehall dramas
Dishonesty
Elitism
etc.

Appearance is apparently everything these days.
Even this morning on the BBC News, the Chancellor answered a few questions on camera.
She happens to be in Washington DC right now.
Was she interviewed in an office?
No.
She was standing outside in the open air somewhere, with the dome of the Capitol building clearly in view in the distance.
Why?
Because that image is likely deemed more important by spin doctors, than what Ms Reeves was actually saying.

Politics is superficial now. Showbiz showbiz.
Impressive backdrops, Suits shaking hands, flags on poles, lecterns, swanky dinners, handshakes.
And meanwhile, the things which drag normal people down - people who face a daily struggle just to make ends meet - go unregarded.
Progress (if any) made at a snail's pace.

People were promised CHANGE. But all we got was a change of faces.

EDIT:

Apologies, this perhaps should have gone into the Politics thread.
There is naturally a fair bit of overlap in the subject matter.

So you’re saying the system needs to be reformed ?

 

[The Penguin]

It's looking even worse now. Sir Olly seems to have done his job pretty well, and sacking him is yet another gaffe. Sir Keir appears to have scapegoated the wrong man to try to save his own skin.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

Someone's pants are on fire.

I can smell the fumes from here.

 

[The Penguin]

Yep. No one wants to be a new leader before the May elections.

Personally I hope Starmer stays until the next GE. Would be a wipe-out of Sunak proportions if he does .

Labour MP's aren't lemmings. There's no chance of him staying in situ that long.

 

[lardiman]

Starmer and Badenoch might well both be out of a job shortly after May 7th.
My prediction is

Reform - BIG gains
Greens - some gains
Lib Dems - will do OK
Tories - more losses from an already low point
Labour - Wipeout, except in a handful of left wing (not pro-Starmer) seats.

Any uptick in support for Starmer during the Iran War is likely to be outweighed by the re-emergence of the Mandelson scandal.

Obvious advice for Nigel though;
DON'T go into partnership or merge with the Conservatives between now and 2029.
Not even if you get to be leader of the Opposition (officially).
Reform is already being identified by some as just a re-branded Tory right at the moment.
Joining with them will drain away the public impression that Reform UK is something new and different.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

Behind closed doors Starmer knows he's f*****.

Next that c*** Khan must go.

The country and London are totally f*****

 

[The Penguin]

Starmer and Badenoch might well both be out of a job shortly after May 7th.
My prediction is

Reform - BIG gains
Greens - some gains
Lib Dems - will do OK
Tories - more losses from an already low point
Labour - Wipeout, except in a handful of left wing (not pro-Starmer) seats.

Any uptick in support for Starmer during the Iran War is likely to be outweighed by the re-emergence of the Mandelson scandal.

Obvious advice for Nigel though;
DON'T go into partnership or merge with the Conservatives between now and 2029.
Not even if you get to be leader of the Opposition (officially).
Reform is already being identified by some as just a re-branded Tory right at the moment.
Joining with them will drain away the public impression that Reform UK is something new and different.

The Iran war will have no bearing. Think of the Labour landslide in 1945, just after the War. People voted on the record of the Tories pre-war. And the government promised to make people better off, and they're not at all. I really believe that if they'd done what they said they would on the economy the Mandleson scandal would not be so important to the electorate. Oh and if they'd smashed the gangs.

 

[TwoWrights]

Obvious advice for Nigel though;

My obvious advice for him is to get fooked.


The views expressed in this post are mine.

 

[lardiman]

I nodded off earlier this evening after Supper.

The question I ask upon waking is not whether Starmer has gone yet. But who else has he sacked?

Surely the tea lady must be at least partly to blame.

 

[TwoWrights]

I nodded off earlier this evening after Supper.

The question I ask upon waking is not whether Starmer has gone yet. But who else has he sacked?

Surely the tea lady must be at least partly to blame.

Mrs Doyle, 'what would you say to a nice cup of tea'?

Father Jack, 'feck off cup'.


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

 

[lardiman]

It beggars belief that the PM was given custard creams instead of a Garibaldi.
And nobody told him the hermasetas had passed their sell-by date in 1976.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

The Ukraine rent boys goes to court on the 27th April, this would be VERY interesting if it was not that things will get swept under the carpet.

Will they have been paid off to keep their mouths shut?