Off Topic What is a woke thing?

[Off The Line]

Not sure theres been 3 specific examples listed. But ultimately both Woke and Gammon are just terms used to set a divisive narrative, because if we're all squabbling together, then ultimately we're not engaging with what's actually going on and holding the real vested interests to account

Which makes it even crazier that words like 'woke' are part of the political discourse.

 

[Jezz511]

The one thing I don’t understand is refusing to correctly refer to someone as a preferred method. Granted it’s not the same but I changed my last name via deed poll as I hated my father growing up and I had, for lack of a better term, an identity crisis due to not really feeling attached with my name id had for 16 years.

Every time someone got it wrong, I politely reminded them and moved on with my day as did they. If someone who has transitioned or is transitioning asks politely to be referred to as a different pronoun I don’t get the push back personally? Yes if people abuse it and chop and change then I get the skepticism but there’s plenty of good people just wanting to live their life.

I think there's two parts to this, and your 100% correct so don't take this any way but that.

But there's always going to be the outliers where someone's used an incorrect name/pronoun and the other party has taken it far too personally. There was a push to try and classify misgendering as a hate crime for example and instances like that will get people feeling like they're being punished for no real reason.

The other part, quite often the part that riles people is that it it's often not even those who have changed their identity who get angry, often random strangers want to look the most accepting and this get angry for what really doesn't affect them.

Imagine if someone got your name wrong accidentally and whilst you tried to politely remind them some randomer you don't even know calls the other person a right wing gammon, suddenly the conversation isn't about your name or the reasons behind it, it's two people shouting at each other who it doesn't really concern to begin with!

On a slight tangent, again coming from pure ignorance rather than malice- when did we get to the point where people are changing genders based on what appears to be their hobbies and interests?

Gender dysphoria is obviously a thing, but I'm sure it's not as prevelant as social media makes it look, and i was brought up in the 'girls can like action man and boys can like barbie' school days and it seems to have gotten to be 'a boy who likes barbie is really a girl and they should be treated as such'. The pivot baffles me... And i think thats where a lot of push back comes from.

 

[DMD]

I've just been part of an assessment team for the diagnosis of a child with ADD and Autism. I spent the previous year wor

Which confirms that you are not qualified to diagnose or treat mental illness, which along with other parts you snipped, was my comment.

 

[HCAFCHangout]

You could probably just substitute 'woke' and 'gammon' for the words we used to use but were slightly less derisory, such as 'progressive' and 'reactionary', but as I say, the intent is to set an increasingly divisive narrative, so we are where we are.

Yeah the issue has become about polar opposites arguing with each other so viciously it attracts people in the middle to join in and I don’t think that help anyone.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

OK, sou outside of specific no longer love this country due to their comprehension of its past?

I've just been part of an assessment team for the diagnosis of a child with ADD and Autism. I spent the previous year wor

Which makes it even crazier that words like 'woke' are part of the political discourse.

Fact is, most of us identify with the same issues, have more in common than not but our differences in how to resolve them are being amplified quite intentionally to make finding a common consensus virtually impossible.

It's misdirection to consolidate control.

 

[Plum]

So was calling the white fella a 'white honky'. Personally I thought Love Thy Neighbour was awful. So I didn't watch it and I wasn't offended in the least.
I do get offended when I continually hear these days that my generation are 'the white privileged' or that I am a privileged white male.
No-one was calling us the white privileged when our parents brought us up in rented two up two down houses with outside toilets and no gardens and as kids we played on the bombed buildings with cardboard in our shoes for souls and we received a basic education in old Victorian school's, 50 to a class, with no central heating, inside toilets or playing fields and got kicked out to find work at 15.

Priveledge is relative though TT. If you'd been a black kid brought up at those times you can bet your life that their circumstances would have been worse than yours, and when it came to getting a job at 15, you'd likely have found one, the black kid wouldn't. Because he's black.

 

[HCAFCHangout]

I think there's two parts to this, and your 100% correct so don't take this any way but that.

But there's always going to be the outliers where someone's used an incorrect name/pronoun and the other party has taken it far too personally. There was a push to try and classify misgendering as a hate crime for example and instances like that will get people feeling like they're being punished for no real reason.

The other part, quite often the part that riles people is that it it's often not even those who have changed their identity who get angry, often random strangers want to look the most accepting and this get angry for what really doesn't affect them.

Imagine if someone got your name wrong accidentally and whilst you tried to politely remind them some randomer you don't even know calls the other person a right wing gammon, suddenly the conversation isn't about your name or the reasons behind it, it's two people shouting at each other who it doesn't really concern to begin with!

On a slight tangent, again coming from pure ignorance rather than malice- when did we get to the point where people are changing genders based on what appears to be their hobbies and interests?

Gender dysphoria is obviously a thing, but I'm sure it's not as prevelant as social media makes it look, and i was brought up in the 'girls can like action man and boys can like barbie' school days and it seems to have gotten to be 'a boy who likes barbie is really a girl and they should be treated as such'. The pivot baffles me... And i think thats where a lot of push back comes from.

No I largely agree with most of your points. Some of the extremes have been exploited by people with ill intentions. It’s totally discarding the genuine people as well.

 

[DMD]

I think there's two parts to this, and your 100% correct so don't take this any way but that.

But there's always going to be the outliers where someone's used an incorrect name/pronoun and the other party has taken it far too personally. There was a push to try and classify misgendering as a hate crime for example and instances like that will get people feeling like they're being punished for no real reason.

The other part, quite often the part that riles people is that it it's often not even those who have changed their identity who get angry, often random strangers want to look the most accepting and this get angry for what really doesn't affect them.

Imagine if someone got your name wrong accidentally and whilst you tried to politely remind them some randomer you don't even know calls the other person a right wing gammon, suddenly the conversation isn't about your name or the reasons behind it, it's two people shouting at each other who it doesn't really concern to begin with!

On a slight tangent, again coming from pure ignorance rather than malice- when did we get to the point where people are changing genders based on what appears to be their hobbies and interests?

Gender dysphoria is obviously a thing, but I'm sure it's not as prevelant as social media makes it look, and i was brought up in the 'girls can like action man and boys can like barbie' school days and it seems to have gotten to be 'a boy who likes barbie is really a girl and they should be treated as such'. The pivot baffles me... And i think thats where a lot of push back comes from.

Would it be reasonable for me to demand everyone uses the nomenclature, "Your Imperial Majesty and my ultimate master", when referring to me. And they MUST accept my superiority because that's how I define myself.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Would it be reasonable for me to demand everyone uses the nomenclature, "Your Imperial Majesty and my ultimate master", when referring to me. And they MUST accept my superiority because that's how I define myself.

That's absolutely fine, just as long as you rename the Humber estuary the 'Gulf of Hull'.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

Priveledge is relative though TT. If you'd been a black kid brought up at those times you can bet your life that their circumstances would have been worse than yours, and when it came to getting a job at 15, you'd likely have found one, the black wouldn't. Because he's black.

Not in Hull at the time. I only knew two black lads when I left school in 1970 and I worked alongside them. I didn't even realise they were black until I attended their weddings and met their parents and families. We were just working class kids getting along as best we could. I also worked in a local foundry when I was 18 for a few years and no-one knew who was black or white until we came out of the showers at the end of the shift. I knew plenty of white lads who couldn't get a job because they didn't want one, and still don't.

 

[originallambrettaman]

They were simple sit coms on mainstream telly and everyone laughed at them. No one was offended.

Aye, the Nig Nogs thought it was hilarious.

 

[DMD]

No I largely agree with most of your points. Some of the extremes have been exploited by people with ill intentions. It’s totally discarding the genuine people as well.

I know some long standing trannies, and they hate the people that demand all these pronouns and unquestionable acceptance. Same with some gays too. They've lived a relatively peaceful life, living it in their own way, but now find themselves lumped in with people trying to make a point rather than a realistic lifestyle choice.

 

[Ron Burguvdy]

Woke / Gammon - A pejorative word, phrase, slur, or derogatory term is a word or grammatical form expressing a negative or disrespectful connotation, a low opinion, or a lack of respect toward someone or something. It is also used to express criticism, hostility, or disregard...

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

Aye, the Nig Nogs thought it was hilarious.

So did the white honkys. It was comedy in 1975. Switch over or turn it off, it wasn't compulsory to watch it, and I didn't.

 

[DMD]

That's absolutely fine, just as long as you rename the Humber estuary the 'Gulf of Hull'.

It would have to declare its own pronouns. Them's the rules.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

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[HCAFCHangout]

I know some long standing trannies, and they hate the people that demand all these pronouns and unquestionable acceptance. Same with some gays too. They've lived a relatively peaceful life, living it in their own way, but now find themselves lumped in with people trying to make a point rather than a realistic lifestyle choice.

I’d be interested to hear if that’s because of those ones that are abusing it. I imagine it would be given as you say they’re getting lumped in with the LGBTQ slander

 

[Kalman II]

I’ve seen some radical feminists frame transgender women in particular as doing the gender equivalent of black face and essentially being an insulting caricature of women and accessing women’s spaces without enduring the tribulations associated with being a woman from birth. Transgender people would then argue they just want to live their life with an identity they can finally feel comfortable with. I can see where both sides are coming from, to be honest. It’s not really as simple as pithy slogans like ‘trans women are women’ or ‘no biological males in women’s spaces’. There’s a lot of nuance to this that makes it more complicated than LGB rights, which is sexuality instead of gender identity.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

It would have to declare its own pronouns. Them's the rules.

Wouldn't it still be 'the'?

 

[Jezz511]

No I largely agree with most of your points. Some of the extremes have been exploited by people with ill intentions. It’s totally discarding the genuine people as well.

Absolutely, quite often people just trying to live their lives get dragged into things that often they don't even agree with.

Pride events in America seem to have become an oversexualised kink fest and a lot of the gay people i know think it's weird as ****