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Muffinthegoat said:
I’ve never said he didn’t concede some goals that might have been saved by someone better, nor did I say he didn’t concede any goals that cost us points. Most of the players made mistakes that ultimately cost us points, it happens in football. Look again at the statement in the OP.
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He was the weak link in the squad last season, he probably made the most key mistakes out of them all. He was also statistically the 2nd worst goalkeeper in the division, with a goals conceded > xG faced ratio of -10.7, which is very poor. The Southampton keeper was the worst one in that regard on -11.9, and he is well known to concede **** goals too. Third worst was Begovic on -7.9.

The fourth worst had -4.9, so using that as an indicator he was more than twice as bad as the fourth worst keeper in the division, out of a total of 51 to have played a full 90 minutes.

More than twice as bad as the 47/51 placed keeper.

He was ****e, and he cost us both goals and points.
 
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Amin Yapusi said:
He was the weak link in the squad last season, he probably made the most key mistakes out of them all. He was also statistically the 2nd worst goalkeeper in the division, with a goals conceded > xG faced ratio of -10.7, which is very poor. The Southampton keeper was the worst one in that regard on -11.9, and he is well known to concede **** goals too. Third worst was Begovic on -7.9.

The fourth worst had -4.9, so using that as an indicator he was more than twice as bad as the fourth worst keeper in the division, out of a total of 51 to have played a full 90 minutes.

More than twice as bad as the 47/51 placed keeper.

He was ****e, and he cost us both goals and points.
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Can’t argue with any of that, although I’d say he was bang average rather than ****e. The OP stated almost as fact that he conceded “many soft goals” that cost us points and a play off place. I asked him to back that up and he hasn’t, nor has anyone else. I don’t dispute he let some poor goals in, I don’t dispute that some points were lost because of that. To suggest that they were the only reason we didn’t make the play offs is plainly incorrect.
 
Amin Yapusi said:
Now you say it, remember that Boro goal. Didn’t he **** up twice in that match? And then pull off an absolute worldy right at the death to save us the point.
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He let at least one soft goal in v Boro at home. It was Boro away where he made a late triple save that keep him between the sticks for the rest of the season
 
Muffinthegoat said:
Can’t argue with any of that, although I’d say he was bang average rather than ****e. The OP stated almost as fact that he conceded “many soft goals” that cost us points and a play off place. I asked him to back that up and he hasn’t, nor has anyone else. I don’t dispute he let some poor goals in, I don’t dispute that some points were lost because of that. To suggest that they were the only reason we didn’t make the play offs is plainly incorrect.
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Allsop was not the only reason we missed out last season, but his constantly being beaten at his near post was a major factor in us not making the play offs. Me, @HCAFCHangout and @Aminyapusi have mentioned games where his cock ups cost us up to 11 points. To counter that though, you rightly point to 2 missed penalties against Watford - one home, one away - which would have swung things our way despite his ineptitude.

Why are we talking about last season anyway? It's been and gone and we are where we are -in deep sh!te. We need rid of Wally asap

Wally Out
 
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Amin Yapusi said:
Sacking Rosey and replacing him with Walter has to go down as the worst championship managerial decision since Birmingham sacked Rowett and replaced him with Zola?

Think this one may even be worse to be fair.
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Or sacking Eustace and getting Rooney.

But agree this may just be worse.
 
Muffinthegoat said:
Can’t argue with any of that, although I’d say he was bang average rather than ****e. The OP stated almost as fact that he conceded “many soft goals” that cost us points and a play off place. I asked him to back that up and he hasn’t, nor has anyone else. I don’t dispute he let some poor goals in, I don’t dispute that some points were lost because of that. To suggest that they were the only reason we didn’t make the play offs is plainly incorrect.
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Boro home - beaten at near post
Stoke home - shot through his arms
QPR away - at fault for a goal
WBA away - gave the ball away with poor distribution.

that’s just from memory, he was a hologram in many other games too. Can’t remember his “world class” distribution winning us many other games either.
 
NewcastleTiger said:
Boro home - beaten at near post
Stoke home - shot through his arms
QPR away - at fault for a goal
WBA away - gave the ball away with poor distribution.

that’s just from memory, he was a hologram in many other games too. Can’t remember his “world class” distribution winning us many other games either.
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I remember him pinging the ball up to allsop against stoke for one of the goals and hitting Philogene on the run a lot, delap in behind too.

He wasn't the best keeper we've had but I'm still not convinced him v Pandur was the reason we didn't make play off's, it was delap and Philogene injuries.
 
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Gone For A Walk said:
Brace yourselves. The following might just blow your mind!!
Not sure how much of a mitigating factor it is for not sacking Walter ... but it is pretty staggering.
The so called 'Brains Team' want lining up and shooting, and then sacking just to make sure. This is truly shocking.

I thought I'd have a look at these stats, thinking it would maybe be another reason for sacking Walter for not getting the best out of what he's got. But it shows the dead opposite. But I'm still posting it out of my integrity and in fairness to Walter.

I looked into how many goals our players scored last season. Even if I've made the odd mistake (I don't think I have) it's absolutely mind blowing. No wonder we can't ****ing score!! How the **** exactly are we going to outscore the oppostion (one core tenant of Walterball)? How can our data analysis team, our 'brains trust', the coaching team have allowed this to happen? .....

Player / Played / Scored:
Coyle 42 / 1
Jones 45 / 1
Hughes 43 / 4
Drameh 30 / 0
Simons 18 / 1
Slater 41 / 2
Omur 33 / 0
Puerta 10 / 0
Kamara 55 / 10
Pedro 45 / 3 (note, Serie A Brazil 25 / 0 !! rest were in state, not national football).
So our starting 11 today had collectively a grand total of 22 goals in them last season!! Our starting CF had zero from 25 league games.

Subs today:
Bedia 36 / 17
Burstow 23 / 1
Giles 31 / 0
Jacob 15 /1
Longman 36 / 3
McLoughlin 26 / 0
Mehlem 21 / 3
Palmer 38 / 4
So take Bedia out of it, that's another 12. You can see why Bedia only gets 5 minutes here and there .... he's the only one who's proved he can find the net regularly (bar Pedro in his 2014 to 2022 vintage before his goals dried up post 30)

Out injured:
Belloumi 36 / 7
Millar 40 / 7
Alzate 20 / 1
A bit more respectable if taken in isolation.

Out of MD Squad:
Burns 37 / 0
Vaughan 21 / 0
Zambrano 48 / 1
Sinik 11 / 1
Jarvis 42 / 12 (you can maybe see why Jarvis isn't hitting it off with Walter?)

So, our senior squad of 26 outfield players amassed a massive 80 goals between them. Divide 80 goals by 26 outfield players, multiply by 10 (as the starting outfield players) = 30.7 !!! And we've now lost 14 of those 80 with Belloumi and Millar out for the season (which would take 30.7 down to just 27.5!!). And a fair few of them were at a standard below the Championship - all of Bedias, Kamaras, Jarvis's!!

Where the hell did the 'brains team' and Walter think our goals were going to come from?

How much mitigation it provides for Walter I'm not sure, as I still don't think he's getting the best out of the squad, plus he & his assistants are at least partly culpable for allowing it to happen. But seriously, WTF!!
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Why the heck are people still arguing the toss over Allsop v Pandur etc. it's gone. Move on.
Today's question is whether or not, or at least to what degree, is our abysmal form down to Walter Vs being stitched up by being handed a squad bereft of goal scoring capability when his system depends on outscoring the opposition.
 
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Gone For A Walk said:
Why the heck are people still arguing the toss over Allsop v Pandur etc. it's gone. Move on.
Today's question is whether or not, or at least to what degree, is our abysmal form down to Walter Vs being stitched up by being handed a squad bereft of goal scoring capability when his system depends on outscoring the opposition.
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I think we have a pretty decent squad.

90% Walter
10% Steve Bruce
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
I remember him pinging the ball up to allsop against stoke for one of the goals and hitting Philogene on the run a lot, delap in behind too.

He wasn't the best keeper we've had but I'm still not convinced him v Pandur was the reason we didn't make play off's, it was delap and Philogene injuries.
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I agree re Pandur v Allsop but I do think Allsop cost us the playoffs as much as those injuries did. He cost us more points than the gap between Norwich for sure. He would’ve gotten away with it had we not had Delap’s injury for example but he was a major weakness for us and cost us too many
 
NewcastleTiger said:
I think the biggest thing with Walter now is, we are clearly improving, but, he’s just being so unlikeable and hard to connect with people will just ignore it. And tbh rightly so
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It's true he isn't helping himself and isn't endearing himself to fans, but how are we improving? Our form could hardly be any worse. And back to the point, where are the goals (from across the team) going to come from? We simply don't have that 'capability' within and across the squad.
 
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Gone For A Walk said:
It's true he isn't helping himself and isn't endearing himself to fans, but how are we improving? Our form could hardly be any worse. And back to the point, where are the goals (from across the team) going to come from? We simply don't have that 'capability' within and across the squad.
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Our form could be a lot worse

Our last 8:

Won 0
Drawn 3
Lost 5
Scored 4
Conceded 12

That could easily have been

Won 0
Drawn 0
Lost 8
Scored 0
Conceded 12

We have also kept a clean sheet this season. Not many other clubs in England have achieved that.
 
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