Match Day Thread vs Stoke (A)

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Diego said:
What does Can do that makes you all rate him so highly?
I have seen him make the odd good tackle (expected from a mid), I have seen him run 40 yards into space with the ball (usually ending with him passing to the nearest Liverpool player when he gets close to an opposition player putting them under pressure or losing control of the ball so he has to lunge to make a pass, nothing special). He does make himself available to receive the ball and pass it on, but that is part of the job description.
He is very one footed but a lot are, the difference is he always turns the same way to get on that foot making him slow and predictable. In games when you are under pressure he tends to wander around the middle of the field (almost the centre circle) waving his arms and telling others what they should be doing but doing very little himself.

In short, no, I don't rate him, but he is young and could come good. Klopp himself has said he is a 21 year old playing like 1n 18 year old and has to learn.
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That's ok.. we don't need you to rate him for us to know that he makes a lot of difference to our midfield at the moment and could become a cracking player.
 
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LFKlopp said:
No doubt.
Can was also excellent in that tournament if I remember, and its simply that a CB is a "one error/goal" position, I just think it is riskier putting an unproven (prem) player in there, albeit one with talent. As good as Can is/has been, when he was at CB he was a bit of a liability, as he can be now (but somewhat afford to be) at CM.

Saying all that, I would LOVE to be wrong, and have a new Ferdinand on our hands..
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I agree - it is risky, but he'll make no more mistakes than Lovren or Skrtel who are far more experienced. I'm not saying Ilori is the answer but we need players, even aas a back up - he's already ours and we can recall him.

Same with Gomez when he's back next season - two highly talented defenders who need to play. They will make mistakes but they have the intelligence and ability to improve and learn from them. U

Summary - I would rather persist with Ilori, Gomez over someone like Skrtel. Ideal scenario is we bring in someone like Hummels. Pipedream ...
 
LFKlopp said:
No doubt.
Can was also excellent in that tournament if I remember, and its simply that a CB is a "one error/goal" position, I just think it is riskier putting an unproven (prem) player in there, albeit one with talent. As good as Can is/has been, when he was at CB he was a bit of a liability, as he can be now (but somewhat afford to be) at CM.

Saying all that, I would LOVE to be wrong, and have a new Ferdinand on our hands..
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How many "future stars" have you seen playing U21 tournament's only to forget about them 2/3 years later.
 
Diego said:
What does Can do that makes you all rate him so highly?
I have seen him make the odd good tackle (expected from a mid), I have seen him run 40 yards into space with the ball (usually ending with him passing to the nearest Liverpool player when he gets close to an opposition player putting them under pressure or losing control of the ball so he has to lunge to make a pass, nothing special). He does make himself available to receive the ball and pass it on, but that is part of the job description.
He is very one footed but a lot are, the difference is he always turns the same way to get on that foot making him slow and predictable. In games when you are under pressure he tends to wander around the middle of the field (almost the centre circle) waving his arms and telling others what they should be doing but doing very little himself.

In short, no, I don't rate him, but he is young and could come good. Klopp himself has said he is a 21 year old playing like 1n 18 year old and has to learn.
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His positioning, reading of the game, tackling, ability on the ball, composure on the ball, ability to take players on, ability to pick a pass, work rate, strength, power, speed.

Central midfielders rarely get plaudits unless they're running 40 yards and scoring screamers. He does the important grunt work.
 
Still unsure (not cared to really find out) why Agger left. Wrong move imo.

I am not so against Skrtel as yourself, but I admit he is error prone. Gomez is pure quality again, and given a full pre season, or something similar, he could perform highly in a few defensive positions, looks so clever on the ball and everything ive read about him, is just resounding praise, from his character to his ability, to his freakish physique!
 
Diego said:
How many "future stars" have you seen playing U21 tournament's only to forget about them 2/3 years later.
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I'm sure quite a few. But what shall we do? Sell a talented youngster because he may not come good without giving him a chance? Lol. You do amuse me!
 
Does anyone else think that Ibe looks like a small version of Anthony Joshua?

Been meaning to mention it for ages
 
LFKlopp said:
Still unsure (not cared to really find out) why Agger left. Wrong move imo.

I am not so against Skrtel as yourself, but I admit he is error prone. Gomez is pure quality again, and given a full pre season, or something similar, he could perform highly in a few defensive positions, looks so clever on the ball and everything ive read about him, is just resounding praise, from his character to his ability, to his freakish physique!
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Cos he was on as much wages as Sturridge, missed as many games as Sturridge, but didn't win us as many games as Sturridge
 
Diego said:
What does Can do that makes you all rate him so highly?
I have seen him make the odd good tackle (expected from a mid), I have seen him run 40 yards into space with the ball (usually ending with him passing to the nearest Liverpool player when he gets close to an opposition player putting them under pressure or losing control of the ball so he has to lunge to make a pass, nothing special). He does make himself available to receive the ball and pass it on, but that is part of the job description.
He is very one footed but a lot are, the difference is he always turns the same way to get on that foot making him slow and predictable. In games when you are under pressure he tends to wander around the middle of the field (almost the centre circle) waving his arms and telling others what they should be doing but doing very little himself.

In short, no, I don't rate him, but he is young and could come good. Klopp himself has said he is a 21 year old playing like 1n 18 year old and has to learn.
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You have your opinion; we have ours. I accept that. Now **** off and eat ****.
 
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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
I agree - it is risky, but he'll make no more mistakes than Lovren or Skrtel who are far more experienced. I'm not saying Ilori is the answer but we need players, even aas a back up - he's already ours and we can recall him.

Same with Gomez when he's back next season - two highly talented defenders who need to play. They will make mistakes but they have the intelligence and ability to improve and learn from them. U

Summary - I would rather persist with Ilori, Gomez over someone like Skrtel. Ideal scenario is we bring in someone like Hummels. Pipedream ...
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Don't often agree with you Jimmy because I think you rely on FM too much instead of your eyes but, on Illori I do agree, he has looked very promising on the occasions I have seen him play.
 
LFKlopp said:
Whenever its been Firmino as the false 9 or whatever, with Coutinho behind, they've looked good, they do seem to be on the right wavelength, even if its not quite coming off, it looks promising.
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It's about movement and space. On Saturday we tried to counter two big, strong (lumbering?0 centre-backs by getting a big-strong, lumbering centre forward to stand next to one of them every time we had the ball. Tonight we tried to run two big centre-backs ragged with the ball mostly on the ground. That's our game, and to be fair to benteke, if we want to play the former type we should but back carroll to partner benteke and get Gerrard back to take our dead-ball kicks. Or, we could look at our squad and play to its strengths. What we do need though is to better able to stand up to long-ball teams with physicality, such as Watford, West Brom and Uniturd.
 
Diego said:
Don't often agree with you Jimmy because I think you rely on FM too much instead of your eyes but, on Illori I do agree, he has looked very promising on the occasions I have seen him play.
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Thank you kind sir.

He is talented but his injuries are a concern.
 
Good welcome unexpected win.

But the win has come at a great cost. If coutinho and Lovren are going to miss several matches especially key premiership ones.
 
Yeah but... where'd we press and close best.... CM and on thier full backs.

Firmino did well with them but seriously it's more than just the none position that actually manned up and did their jobs tonight.

Was it system 433... was it Klopp laying it von the line. . Was it tactic designed for stoke. ..was it kicking benteke out....
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
Thank you kind sir.

He is talented but his injuries are a concern.
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I think injuries are more acceptable/understandable in younger players, their bodies are still developing which often leads to muscle strains/pulls. I know he is a United player but I will note Giggs in this, he suffered hamstring pulls all the time when young but went on to play until 40 with very few problems after 24/25.
 
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Diego said:
I think injuries are more acceptable/understandable in younger players, their bodies are still developing which often leads to muscle strains/pulls. I know he is a United player but I will note Giggs in this, he suffered hamstring pulls all the time when young but went on to play until 40 with very few problems after 24/25.
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Giggs also played a lot less later on.
 
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