Villas-Boas

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spurfectionist said:
Didn't Chelsea sign Hulk? Or did that not happen yet?

I'd take Falcao in a heartbeat. I know he's not Porto any more but he was when AVB was there.
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Think they're still in negotiations with him.

Falcao would be amazing but you're looking at a £50m+ bid I reckon seeing as Madrid paid something like £35m for him and he's been immense in Spain so value will have easily shot up.
 
yeah, i know its not realistic. But i'd still take him. We all would!

Did AVB have any targets while he was a chelsea? If he fits players into a system then conceivably we might have the same targets if he took over.
 
The gossip is we're poised to offer him......cheers not606,it's been nice knowing you. I'll stop watching Spurs if he's appointed and I'll stop the website. Please let it not be true.
 
come on Thor. Give him a chance at least. You love Spurs! Surely?
Remember Christian Gross? What about Gary Doherty? Gary Doherty playing up front! Jose Dominguez (actually, i quite liked that floppy-haired berk). Stuart Nethercott. Acimovic. Gerry Francis.

I could go on.

Surely you supported Spurs through some absolute dross managers, dross players and dross playing styles such as Graham and Santini?
 
As a fan, we cannot help but love our club, no matter how badly we perform, no matter how bad our luck, no matter what mistakes are made by our board, or how crap the manager is.

We are Spurs.
 
The Mighty Thor said:
The gossip is we're poised to offer him......cheers not606,it's been nice knowing you. I'll stop watching Spurs if he's appointed and I'll stop the website. Please let it not be true.
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Bit OTT there Thor.

At least give him a chance if he is indeed appointed.

His Porto side were brilliant lets not forget. Maybe he just never had the right players (both mentally and technically) to his liking at Chelsea. With our type of players, none of them have big ego's and they all play with attacking intent which is what his Porto side were all about.
 
I LOVE LOVE LOVE Spurs but I was one of the posters who said that he'd fail at Chelsea and I'm certain he'll fail with us. He's a cry baby who looks for excuses. I want what's best for us. Graham had us 3rd and a trophy at least spurfectionist. Ok a bit OTT but nooooooooo!
 
The Mighty Thor said:
I LOVE LOVE LOVE Spurs but I was one of the posters who said that he'd fail at Chelsea and I'm certain he'll fail with us. He's a cry baby who looks for excuses. I want what's best for us. Graham had us 3rd and a trophy at least spurfectionist. Ok a bit OTT but nooooooooo!
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3rd? Under Graham? Did the boring football put me in a coma and cause me to miss that?
I don't remember us finishing in the top half from Klinsmann's first stint til Jol (about 10 years)

Ramos won us a trophy. He was NOT a success imo
 
spurfectionist said:
3rd? Under Graham? Did the boring football put me in a coma and cause me to miss that?
I don't remember us finishing in the top half from Klinsmann's first stint til Jol (about 10 years)

Ramos won us a trophy. He was NOT a success imo
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1995-6: 8th
1996-7: 10th
1999-2000: 10th
2001-2: 9th
2002-3: 10th

In retrospect, it looks like Gerry Francis did alright for us - finishing 10th with such a long injury list in 96-7 is pretty impressive, as plenty of managers past and present would've finished a lot lower.
 
LockStock said:
Another interesting read on AVB.....

http://www.eplindex.com/14831/andre-villas-boas-succeed-liverpool-failing-chelsea.html

Obviously written before Liverpool hired their new manager. Could be relevant to us.... (I'm trying to convince myself here.)
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Playing a 4-3-3 that can be morphed into a 3-4-3 is probably the wrong tactic for a lot of games, especially against teams that like to sit deep when we play them (and there's plenty who do that) as it plays into their hands. A 4-5-1 that morphs into a 4-3-3 is proven to work in the Premier League by numerous teams, but to do that we'd need to rejig the players we field. For example, Dos Santos would have to play instead of Lennon as he is most effective in 4-3-3 whilst Lennon is most effective in 4-4-2, plus we saw last season the negative effect of Parker, Modric and Sandro all playing at the same time had on Modric's ability to take time and pick out a pass.

Playing 4-2-3-1 makes sense, but that requires bringing in Ade or Remy because Defoe would fail in that system. Something like...
---Parker - Modric ---
Lennon/Dos Santos - VDV - Bale
---Ade/Remy---
 
The Mighty Thor said:
The gossip is we're poised to offer him......cheers not606,it's been nice knowing you. I'll stop watching Spurs if he's appointed and I'll stop the website. Please let it not be true.
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Jesus Christ. You're the worst type of fan.

Win away at Newcastle and he'll probably be the second coming of Christ.

I have no issues with you not wanting a manager (I don't want Moyes for example), but FFS support the badge, the shirt, the club!
 
I could have sworn we finished 3rd under Graham but I must be wrong.....sorry.
Thank you Spurslegend. I've been devoted to Spurs since Archibald and Crooks.
 
The Mighty Thor said:
I could have sworn we finished 3rd under Graham but I must be wrong.....sorry.
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I apologise if i've just ruined a good Spurs "memory" for you :(


HBIC - talking of being top. Was it after 3 games, but before Man Utd played? If so, i think i cut the league table out of the paper as it was the first time i'd ever seen Spurs up there
 
Ammaar said:
Villas-Boas? If you want to progress, then I wouldn't suggest it. He isn't ready yet.

Even though the Chelsea players were disdainful, flippant and ill-mannered toward him, he didn't do himself any favours. He couldn't handle the media exposure and when asked a question, he always felt that there was a vendetta against him and took everything personally. He couldn't handle the dressing room, coupled with being poor with man management.

I don't really agree with the manner in how the Chelsea players revolted and what they said to Villas-Boas, but he tried to implement a philosophy & style of football that Chelsea did not have the players for. Each game he set-up the same way and Chelsea were becoming easier to beat/nullify - players who couldn't be bothered, playing a system which didn't suit Chelsea's game and not working to the team's strengths - there was only going to be one outcome in the grand scheme of things. I think the players were trying to tell Villas-Boas to not use the free-flowing, fluent football that he wanted to bring to Chelsea because they did not have the personnel for it. Villas-Boas may have reacted quite angrily and so the players just took matters into their own hands.

Not nice to see and disappointing behavior from the senior players at Chelsea, but with the constant change of manager virtually each season, what would you expect? Prima Donnas.

Spurs do have the personnel to fit Villas-Boas's philosophy, but say if you got him and things aren't panning out and if the team selections are wrong or whatever, it will be interesting to see what Villas-Boas does to try and rectify it. Will the pressure get to him again? Will the fans get on his back? Would the players rebel? Also, what about his man management with the players? Will it be better or worse than Harry's? Man management appeared to play a pivotal part in Spurs getting as high as 3rd in the first place, so how would AvB do? Would he handle the media better than he did previously in England?

I personally don't feel he's ready yet for any top Premier League club and the experience at Chelsea was a learning curve, but if AvB has any common sense, he would try out other teams like Inter Milan or Sevilla or somewhere like that, before he comes back to the Premier League. Going from Porto to Chelsea was always going to be a massive task.
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A well constructed argument as usual Ammaar, but looking at the positives the fact that Spurs already have the players to match his style could be crucial. It should make it easier for him to get a positive start and the starts managers make is often vital to their success. Good start and everyone grows in confidence, most importantly the players, then it all becomes easier.

Although it doesn't fill me full of confidence if he took players at Chelsea and asked them to do what they were not good at. You must use the players strengths that you have, that's basic. Having said that it was Chelsea and Abramovich and Lampard and all, not an easy task for any manager with his own agenda. Look what happened to Scolari and he was not without success before he arrived at Stamford Bridge.
 
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