Match Day Thread Villa v Spurs

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I'm not his biggest fan, but one of the reasons Maddison has struggled to make any consistent impact was the fact that Ange shoe-horned him in at LM where he was never really comfortable (he is far too one footed tbf). More than that was the issue that lost-a-yard-of-pace Son kept getting in his way and as a result neither of them were effective.

He needs to be played centrally linking midfield to attack. But does De Zerbi have the nous to abandon this 433 pish we (and half the league) have become obsessed with since Klopp and Pep made it the height of fashion?
At the moment we basically can't play 433 as to get a pair of uninjured wingers we would have to start Tynan Thompson from the U18s

Right now the logical formation for us is either 4312 or 4321, because those are about the only formations we actually have the personnel for
 
I’ve often felt Maddison copped/ cops a bit too much flack amongst the fans. Not saying he’s perfect by any means and his injury issues are definitely a nuisance but often felt he was the main guy to create something out of nothing, a b-tech Eriksen so to speak and the closest we’ve had to the Dane since the Dane, he still managed about 16 goal contributions in the league last season iirc too, those figures have been sorely missed. Ndombele, Lo Celso, past-it Dele, Bergvall, Simons have all at times played in that ten role and rarely impacted games anywhere near as enough as Maddison has, let alone Eriksen.

That said, I think bigger problems go back to a point that I think HBIC and CK have covered in the past in that our CMs haven’t been able to make enough progressive passes to our number ten(s) (or wide forwards) for them to be able to create enough chances.

Gibbs-White would’ve been that ideal player in the summer. Why we didn’t chase a similar profile after that move went dead is a mystery only the idiots our hierarchy can explain, even more so when they didn’t readdress it in January.
 
Gibbs-White would’ve been that ideal player in the summer. Why we didn’t chase a similar profile after that move went dead is a mystery only the idiots our hierarchy can explain, even more so when they didn’t readdress it in January.
This is why I find it bizarre that Paratici escapes the flak for this season: every other window he had the primary target in place, but was also poking and prodding his network of agents and assets to see if he could truffle out not only a backup option, but also potentially find a better player than the one initially identified. Last summer he seems to have identified Gibbs-White and Savinho and only them, never looking for alternatives so when **** happened, we were left with...well, jack ****

January, on the other hand, falls on the board - but not for the reason people would immediately think: they'd been briefing since November that they were considering bringing back Poch post-WC, so what that did was make Frank a lame duck manager so weakened our hand in any negotiation before we'd even made a bid because any agent worth their salt would have caught wind that their client would be playing in a limbo state for half a season. This also sums up why a lot of our targets seemed to be players who would fit in anyone's system such as Gallagher and Semenyo, rather than players who fit the specifics for what Frank wanted
 
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I first noticed Maddison when he was at Leicester. He is my type of footballer, one who plays with his head and as well as his feet, and I don't mean headers <laugh>
 
I’ve often felt Maddison copped/ cops a bit too much flack amongst the fans. Not saying he’s perfect by any means and his injury issues are definitely a nuisance but often felt he was the main guy to create something out of nothing, a b-tech Eriksen so to speak and the closest we’ve had to the Dane since the Dane, he still managed about 16 goal contributions in the league last season iirc too, those figures have been sorely missed. Ndombele, Lo Celso, past-it Dele, Bergvall, Simons have all at times played in that ten role and rarely impacted games anywhere near as enough as Maddison has, let alone Eriksen.

That said, I think bigger problems go back to a point that I think HBIC and CK have covered in the past in that our CMs haven’t been able to make enough progressive passes to our number ten(s) (or wide forwards) for them to be able to create enough chances.

Gibbs-White would’ve been that ideal player in the summer. Why we didn’t chase a similar profile after that move went dead is a mystery only the idiots our hierarchy can explain, even more so when they didn’t readdress it in January.

I promise you we would have ruined Gibbs White

No way was he hitting this season's numbers if he joined us

No way would he be talked about going to the World Cup

No way would he not have suffered an injury

He would have morphed into another Richarlison or Solanke energy at best

The club due to owner mentality expects a reputation well above what it has earned when it comes to football.

Gibbs White or whoever advised him got it right

I Don't see us signing anyone better than Maddison and even if there is someone out there who could improve us I have zero faith the hierarchy have the football knowledge to identify that player and successfully sign him.

A crocked Maddison is about par for our self set standards

COYS
 
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I promise you we would have ruined Gibbs White

No way was he hitting this season's numbers if he joined us

No way would he be talked about going to the World Cup

No way would he not have suffered an injury

He would have morphed into another Richarlison or Solanke energy at best

The club due to owner mentality expects a reputation well above what it has earned when it comes to football.

Gibbs White or whoever advised him got it right

I Don't see us signing anyone better than Maddison and even if there is someone out there who could improve us I have zero faith the hierarchy have the football knowledge to identify that player and successfully sign him.

A crocked Maddison is about par for our self set standards

COYS

I still don't fully get the MGW hype tbh.

Not saying we'd be able to do better than him, but I think his strong end to the season is clouding the fact that he had a really poor start to the season and a bang average middle third.

6 goals and 2 assists in the first 27 games is nothing to write home about. Even Richarlison had better numbers, and he won a raffle to become a professional footballer.

He only really hit form in March. Probably eyeing up a summer move and/or a place in Tuchel's squad.
 
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It may sound petty and vindictive, but a big reason to hope we win today is so that one Brentford fan who posted online yesterday how they hoped they'd miss out on European football by losing yesterday if it helps send us down spends the remainder of their weekend, and when asked about it all they can say is "We won 3-0"
 
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I still don't fully get the MGW hype tbh.

Not saying we'd be able to do better than him, but I think his strong end to the season is clouding the fact that he had a really poor start to the season and a bang average middle third.

6 goals and 2 assists in the first 27 games is nothing to write home about. Even Richarlison had better numbers and, he won a raffle to become a professional footballer.

He only really hit form in March. Probably eyeing up a summer move and/or a place in Tuchel's squad.

Agree.

I just think it’s because Spurs are desperate for a midfielder that he looks like a good option.
 
Indeed (very stupid to blame players for on-pitch
issues they do not cause nor were signed to fix/improve) .
Applicable to a certain degree but despite being out of position at times, we should still expect them to do the basics.
 
I still don't fully get the MGW hype tbh.

Not saying we'd be able to do better than him, but I think his strong end to the season is clouding the fact that he had a really poor start to the season and a bang average middle third.

6 goals and 2 assists in the first 27 games is nothing to write home about. Even Richarlison had better numbers, and he won a raffle to become a professional footballer.

He only really hit form in March. Probably eyeing up a summer move and/or a place in Tuchel's squad.
A large part of why he sticks out is a lot of our midfielders can do one thing, whereas Gibbs-White has a more rounded skillset as on the front foot he can pass and knows where the net is, while without the ball he can press and read the game to intercept passes

A crude analogy, but having somebody capable of being Michael Carrick for one phase of the game and James Maddison in another phase would allow the squad to be more multifaceted
 
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A large part of why he sticks out is a lot of our midfielders can do one thing, whereas Gibbs-White has a more rounded skillset as on the front foot he can pass and knows where the net is, while without the ball he can press and read the game to intercept passes

A crude analogy, but having somebody capable of being Michael Carrick for one phase of the game and James Maddison in another phase would allow the squad to be more multifaceted

Yeah Spurs badly lack an all rounder in midfield

Like everyone has said, to not have a plan b when Forest pulled the plug on the deal was poor by the club.
 
He didn’t have much of an impact last season. He had a few good games but honestly, in terms of “impact” last season, there was a handful of games. I really can’t see him influencing anything except to having a good positive leader on the pitch which is what I believe you’re alluding to.
We only need a handful
 
Let's see if we can make the most of it psychology because it is definitely a boost if we are capable of using it as one.

With today's result and Villa with one eye on the 2nd leg maybe...I hope we can use all these factors to our advantage because this is the psychological stage of the season.

It really is the time to stand up and be counted if we are to have any hope whatsoever.
Unfortunately Villa have Liverpool and Man City to finish. They'll probably want to get 5th done before those