My god we have got one or two pricks in our midst...It's all right to slag off the players, the e manager or the chairman when they are doing **** all..But when 40,000 plus fans can't even muster any meaningful support we should say nowt.. In my opinion, once we start acknowledging that we have forgotten how to back our team then we can at least come up with some ideas how to put it right..
**** all to do with money mate..All, I'm saying is why the **** go to games if you are not willing to put the effort in to back the team..Sunderland fans are becoming an embarrassment to our history at this moment in time, and I'm doing my best to combat this..
There's an essential difference involved here though. The players, the manager, and the chairman are officials of the club, and receive wages to do a job that some of them are currently not doing well. The 40,000+ who attend do not receive wages - in fact, they pay for the 'privilege' of attending - and there's no way you can pile the same responsibility onto them.
11 There are 2 flaws is your argument though, aren't there? Firstly, the supporters are the club and will be there long after every single official, player & manager has gone on to 'kiss another badge'. Secondly, we care or are supposed to care, the players only pretend to care. I've been going long enough to know that, sometimes, the players have to be left in no doubt that what they're doing on the pitch isn't enough and the supporters should set the example. The support affects both home & away players and sometimes we just don't do enough.
Correctamundo. It's not the same as going to the cinema is it. I think the problem is thats what some people expect when they turn up. Supporters must take responsibility for lifting their club through thick, thin and thinner. We've been **** for 40 years ffs, bar a few years under Reid.
I think the support argument is a complex one. However, I totally agree with the sentiments expressed in this article: http://www.thedaisycutter.co.uk/2014/11/how-supporters-became-the-new-villains-of-modern-football/ Yes, supporters should back their team but in today's "Sky era" everything seems stacked against us. The fact that over 45,000 have turned up for the last 2 matches confirms that the fans are doing their bit. The lack of atmosphere could have something to do with the performances of the last 5 years - theses would test the patience of even the most ardent supporter.
It has everything to do with money. Players are paid to do a job. Fans pay to go see them do that job. I despair if you can't see the fundamental bearing that might have. How other people choose to use their spare time isnt rally anyone else's business but their own.
The roller coaster of football it can make us happy one week and ruins your next one,its like the question that has no answer
Totally & without question, I can watch the same people 'doing the same job' from the comfort of my home. What's the point of going to the game when the view is inferior, it's colder & the catering is infinitely worse? When I go to the match I contribute to the experience for the people I go with as well as some I don't even know. Even before the game the waves & thumbs up, from fellow Sunderland people on the drive up, to the crack and a laugh in the pub with strangers you bump into is a reciprocal thing ...........everyone contributes in some way. When I cheer on my team I feel I'm representing, in some small way, the family & friends who've passed away who would love to be there now. If I can't be there I take pleasure in knowing that my sons, who follow our family tradition, are there 'in my place'. Buying a new car is a financial transaction, supporting a football club is something entirely different. If someone can't see that then it would be impossible to explain.
I can see where both sides of the argument are coming from! However I slightly lean towards it being down to the players to give the punters something to shout about! I mean, after the Newcastle game, then going 1-0 up against Hull in the first minute the players should have been riding on a crest of a wave! But the players went into their shells and bottled it! Its something that we SAFC supporters have seen far too often over the past few years! Total frustration!!!!! Its this frustration that probably manifests itself into a lack of atmosphere on matchday! If we could string some wins or good performances together, like the end of last season, but at the start of a season, then I'm sure the crowd optimism would be raised and they would be in full voice! Instead we jump from one game to the next knowing that theres a strong possibility what we are gonna witness is utter dross! However let me state that I have total respect for those who go to matches and shout and sing their hearts out despite having to sit through what has been generally dismal football and total disappointment!
As I stated earlier on I believe modern football is turning yourself and others of your ilk into a dying breed!!!
Sadly you're right and the 'paying customers' who tut-tut if you disturb their sleep are starting to sicken me. That's why I target away games when the atmosphere is much better despite the chances of winning being lessened. People who have to travel significant distances and who spend more are more likely to put in some effort inside the ground.
