Up Till Now....

[Cliftonville]

Facebook have started closing down accounts with links to skinhead culture. 1000's (Its being done World wide) of accounts have been closed down included Dave Wakelings of the Beat and Neville Staples of the Specials.

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This will be liked to events in the USA and BLM.

 

[Red Squid]

The statue was not there to celebrate the fact he was a slave trader, but to celebrate the fact he donated loads to Bristol, it seems strange had he not been generous he would not now being targeted because there wouldn’t have been a statue to him at all. That’s before we even mention what he did was considered perfectly ok in his time. I’d rather we kept his statue somewhere where we could still acknowledge his generosity whilst recognising how we have moved on & now realising his means of earning money are now considered abhorrent.

The statue was erected in 1895, some 70 years after the abolition of the slave trade, from which he acquired some of the fortune he donated to the city. It did not celebrate the slave trade but as AR has said, but his ultimate generosity.

Whilst certainly not condoning his actions in making part of his generous donations to the city from his involvement in slavery we should remember that he wasn’t the only merchant involved in this trade that profited from it. There are examples in many other cities where street names and buildings have been given from such ‘merchants’. Was his altruism in some way asking for forgiveness? I don’t know!

Let’s be clear though that it wasn’t only white merchants profiting from this trade. Africans were captured and delivered by other Africans for delivery to slave vessels. It was a time in our history that shames us but we focus on it because we now feel guilty, as we should.

But slavery has always existed. We praise what the Romans did for us and the wider civilisation but their empire was built on slavery. I could go on but I won’t except to say that examples of modern slavery are with us daily. Perhaps we should concentrate on dealing with that shame whilst we can.

 

[BCFCRob]

The statue was not there to celebrate the fact he was a slave trader, but to celebrate the fact he donated loads to Bristol, it seems strange had he not been generous he would not now being targeted because there wouldn’t have been a statue to him at all. That’s before we even mention what he did was considered perfectly ok in his time. I’d rather we kept his statue somewhere where we could still acknowledge his generosity whilst recognising how we have moved on & now realising his means of earning money are now considered abhorrent.

Okay to yourself and the others who liked this post... do you think any statues of Jimmy Savile should be kept?

Horrific *****phile, ruined dozens of lives, but after all he did good things too.

 

[BCFCRob]

Again I will ask politely do BLM's actions sow resentment?

And I’ll answer politely, if anyone resents BAME people more because of protests then I’d suggest that person couldn’t really give a **** about what minorities have to deal with.

 

[RedorDead]

Whilst I agree that BLM as I believe all lives matter.
But let’s not forget this started by the murdering of George Floyd, which I hope those responsible face life.
But I would like to point out that if you google Tony Timpa you will see that it is not the first time this has happened. The only difference is that Tony Timpa is a white man.
Police in America kill more white people than other people. But that is America not here, are the police in Britain who stood by allowing the statue to be thrown into the harbour as bad?

Also JGF why are you copying and pasting from Wikipedia?

 

[AshtonRed]

The statue was there to celebrate the fact he was a slave trader, but to celebrate the fact he donated loads to Bristol, it seems strange had he not been generous he would not now being targeted because there wouldn’t have been a statue to him at all. That’s before we even mention what he did was considered perfectly ok in his time. I’d rather we kept his statue somewhere where we could still acknowledge his generosity whilst recognising how we have moved on & now realising his means of earning money are now considered abhorrent.

Okay to yourself and the others who liked this post... do you think any statues of Jimmy Savile should be kept?

Horrific *****phile, ruined dozens of lives, but after all he did good things too.

Thats a silly comparison Rob , you are better than that . I may not always agree with you but I can usually see your reasoning, if you can’t see the difference you aren’t as bright as I thought. So I’ll assume you made the comparison to be controversial. Much of Bristol is built off the profits of slavery either directly or indirectly, shall we tear it all down brick by brick. I agree with you slavery is abhorrent, oppression in any guise is abhorrent, however you can’t have mob rule. This time it’s for a cause you personally agree with, next time it may not be, ultimately mob rule leads to anarchy which does nobody any favours.

 

[Angelicnumber16]

Ah the good old minorities and the knee jerk reaction that their voice always invokes by those who could and should ignore them rather than placate them. Good to see they're still capable of spoiling the fun for the majority of decent right thinking people since time immemorial.

Statue of Cecil Rhodes (founder of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe for those who don't know) to be taken down in Oxford as thousands of people with nothing better to do protest against it.

Now a pub sign is to be taken down in Derby because people are calling the race card again.

Netflix and I-Player are to stop offering Little Britain to subscribers who actually pay them for their services and the freedom of watching programmes they choose to.

The world is again pandering to the minority, the same as it has for the past 30 years or more but more so this time.

Here's a clue for the minority whingers re Netflix - If you don't like it, don't download or watch it, it's dead easy. And this works both ways. I don't watch or download programmes I don't like. But I also don't go running to teacher about them.

Lewis Hamilton and Raheem Sterling (don't forget his gun tattoo btw, but it's only a bit of fun remember, nothing sinister) to form the next government please.

 

[RedorDead]

Ah the good old minorities and the knee jerk reaction that their voice always invokes by those who could and should ignore them rather than placate them. Good to see they're still capable of spoiling the fun for the majority of decent right thinking people since time immemorial.

Statue of Cecil Rhodes (founder of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe for those who don't know) to be taken down in Oxford as thousands of people with nothing better to do protest against it.

Now a pub sign is to be taken down in Derby because people are calling the race card again.

Netflix and I-Player are to stop offering Little Britain to subscribers who actually pay them for their services and the freedom of watching programmes they choose to.

The world is again pandering to the minority, the same as it has for the past 30 years or more but more so this time.

Here's a clue for the minority whingers re Netflix - If you don't like it, don't download or watch it, it's dead easy. And this works both ways. I don't watch or download programmes I don't like. But I also don't go running to teacher about them.

Lewis Hamilton and Raheem Sterling (don't forget his gun tattoo btw, but it's only a bit of fun remember, nothing sinister) to form the next government please.

What’s racist about Little Britain?

 

[Cliftonville]

And I’ll answer politely, if anyone resents BAME people more because of protests then I’d suggest that person couldn’t really give a **** about what minorities have to deal with.

That is not an answer to the question posed.

It was do BLM's actions sow resentment?

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[BCFCRob]

Thats a silly comparison Rob , you are better than that . I may not always agree with you but I can usually see your reasoning, if you can’t see the difference you aren’t as bright as I thought. So I’ll assume you made the comparison to be controversial. Much of Bristol is built off the profits of slavery either directly or indirectly, shall we tear it all down brick by brick. I agree with you slavery is abhorrent, oppression in any guise is abhorrent, however you can’t have mob rule. This time it’s for a cause you personally agree with, next time it may not be, ultimately mob rule leads to anarchy which does nobody any favours.

So rape children but build hospitals = not ok.
Sell thousands of men as slaves but invest locally = ok

Right.

 

[BCFCRob]

That is not an answer to the question posed.

It was do BLM's actions sow resentment?

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Ah yes, single out the minority. Another poster suckered in by the tabloids. But people will then praise the skinhead thugs “defending” war memorials in Plymouth.

And btw Churchill was a racist

 

[Cliftonville]

Ah yes, single out the minority. Another poster suckered in by the tabloids. But people will then praise the skinhead thugs “defending” war memorials in Plymouth.

And btw Churchill was a racist

It was not the tabloids who vandalised those memorials or attempted to set fire to a Union Jack. It was not the tabloids who injured Policeman.These criminal activities and many others occurred during BLM demos.

So do BLM's actions sow resentment?

The individuals who chose to defend a war memorial in Plymouth are a secondary reaction. The primary cause is that Memorials to the fallen were vandalised during BLM protests.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

I hope all these minorities are careful when buying their cheap products.....Many made in China, factories employing child slavery....

 

[Angelicnumber16]

Ah yes, single out the minority. Another poster suckered in by the tabloids. But people will then praise the skinhead thugs “defending” war memorials in Plymouth.

And btw Churchill was a racist

Blacks don't like whites here at home or abroad by and large in my long and comprehensive experience.
Asians don't like blacks much either
The whites carry on and laugh it off and have done for generations. It's a very British thing - broad shoulders and all that.
So is it them that are racist ?
Why should the minority of complainers be allowed to dictate how we live, dictate what we watch, and ruin our freedom of expression when we tolerate all the things they like ? And why are the media companies bowing before pressure ?
We (supposedly) live in a free society. So if I don't like or agree with something I turn it off or don't watch it to start with. It's my choice, but I don't go running to teacher like these people calling the race card because it's easy.
These people defacing national monuments presumably call themselves British when it comes to all of the benefits they get for living here ?
They should therefore maybe understand the history of the country that they belong to and how it all hangs together.

 

[Angelicnumber16]

Blacks don't like whites here at home or abroad by and large in my long and comprehensive experience.
Asians don't like blacks much either
The whites carry on and laugh it off and have done for generations. It's a very British thing - broad shoulders and all that.
So is it them that are racist ?
Why should the minority of complainers be allowed to dictate how we live, dictate what we watch, and ruin our freedom of expression when we tolerate all the things they like ? And why are the media companies bowing before pressure ?
We (supposedly) live in a free society. So if I don't like or agree with something I turn it off or don't watch it to start with. It's my choice, but I don't go running to teacher like these people calling the race card because it's easy.
These people defacing national monuments presumably call themselves British when it comes to all of the benefits they get for living here ?
They should therefore maybe understand the history of the country that they belong to and how it all hangs together.

Blacks don't like whites here at home or abroad by and large in my long and comprehensive experience.
Asians don't like blacks much either
The whites carry on and laugh it off and have done for generations. It's a very British thing - broad shoulders and all that.
So is it them that are racist ?
Why should the minority of complainers be allowed to dictate how we live, dictate what we watch, and ruin our freedom of expression when we tolerate all the things they like ? And why are the media companies bowing before pressure ?
We (supposedly) live in a free society. So if I don't like or agree with something I turn it off or don't watch it to start with. It's my choice, but I don't go running to teacher like these people calling the race card because it's easy.
These people defacing national monuments presumably call themselves British when it comes to all of the benefits they get for living here ?
They should therefore maybe understand the history of the country that they belong to and how it all hangs together.

And if they don't like it here, then maybe they would like to try somewhere like Saudi Arabia, Syria, North Korea or Russia
But of course they won't as their lives are too cosy here.

 

[AshtonRed]

So rape children but build hospitals = not ok.
Sell thousands of men as slaves but invest locally = ok

Right.

When Colston was involved in slavery it was considered a perfectly legitimate practice, which you are well aware, I assume you aren’t suggesting raping children was a legitimate practice when JS did it . So quite obviously the two are not comparible . Obviously in today’s world both are equally abhorrent, but Colston didn’t live in today’s world or have today’s morals .

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

Blacks don't like whites here at home or abroad by and large in my long and comprehensive experience.
Asians don't like blacks much either
The whites carry on and laugh it off and have done for generations. It's a very British thing - broad shoulders and all that.
So is it them that are racist ?
Why should the minority of complainers be allowed to dictate how we live, dictate what we watch, and ruin our freedom of expression when we tolerate all the things they like ? And why are the media companies bowing before pressure ?
We (supposedly) live in a free society. So if I don't like or agree with something I turn it off or don't watch it to start with. It's my choice, but I don't go running to teacher like these people calling the race card because it's easy.
These people defacing national monuments presumably call themselves British when it comes to all of the benefits they get for living here ?
They should therefore maybe understand the history of the country that they belong to and how it all hangs together.

This is Spot on....I have to say, with what's going on, I'm beginning to feel a like minority in my own City & Country.....

 

[RedorDead]

So rape children but build hospitals = not ok.
Sell thousands of men as slaves but invest locally = ok

Right.

That’s a terrible comparison Rob.

The point you’re missing here, is no one agrees with what he done in the slave trade. What people are saying is they don’t agree with the demonstrators actions.

 

[Angelicnumber16]

And it's getting worse, and has been a slow decline beset by more and more pandering to the minority squeaky wheel for the last couple of decades or more
Our forefathers fought and a lot of them gave up their lives for our us that we might be free and be allowed freedom of expression and will and not have to live under a dictatorship.
But in a way we are under a dictatorship now. We are dictated to by people who should be told to shut up by those in power and we should have a voice. But we don't. We are the majority, law abiding, tax paying, hard working, non complainers We get on and get the job done.
But this is how a minority in this country repay our ancestors sacrifice.

 

[johngalleyfan2]

Let’s be clear though that it wasn’t only white merchants profiting from this trade. Africans were captured and delivered by other Africans for delivery to slave vessels. It was a time in our history that shames us but we focus on it because we now feel guilty, as we should.

I think all slaves delivered to ports were "sourced/captured by other tribes"

Also JGF why are you copying and pasting from Wikipedia?

why shouldn't I … besides making statements of my own … Wikipedia has a lot of factual information … and maybe if more people read up or were taught the truth about the history of our past there would not be so many issues in our present era.
how many of the thousands that were part of the protest actually knew of what and how it happened in the years from 1640 to 1700 …. I wonder how many actually think "where did I actually come from?" as I have pointed out a few times in posts, slavery until recent times has been an integral part of human evolution … at the times it was treated as " something that happened" …
the list of peeps involved during that dark period is very large... royalty / parliamentarians / venturers all part of the history we pick and choose to believe is good or bad at the time or as now ...hindsight