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yorkshirehornet said:
I did add you implied that without borrowing they could be funded?
But your party took the funding away...
So you support the refunding of these services without borrowing then???
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You have not replied. Your party took the funding away for these services, supposedly due to 'austerity', which is now 'officially' over , do do you now favour the refunding of these services for the public good?

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yorkshirehornet said:
You have not replied. Your party took the funding away for these services, supposedly due to 'austerity', which is now 'officially' over , do do you now favour the refunding of these services for the public good?

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my answer covers this question also.
 
superhorns said:
The three main international credit rating agencies have rubbished Macron's warning that the UK's credit rating would be downgraded if the ransom was withheld. The non payment could be subject to International court battles but these could take years. I expect part of it is justified for payment but the majority is for negotiation. We need a good horse trader, keep the civil servants well away.
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Nothing is up for negotiation apart from the political declaration. Do you really think that a cabinet minister sits and does the negotiating? That is quite bizarre. Most of the discussions are about detail, something that civil servants are good at, and politicians not. You only have to watch a committee in Westminster to realise how poorly ministers sometimes know their brief.
 
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oldfrenchhorn said:
Nothing is up for negotiation apart from the political declaration. Do you really think that a cabinet minister sits and does the negotiating? That is quite bizarre. Most of the discussions are about detail, something that civil servants are good at, and politicians not. You only have to watch a committee in Westminster to realise how poorly ministers sometimes know their brief.
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The recent negotiations by our civil servants proved to be dreadful, so incompetent. The problem was our Brexit Ministers were sidelined in favour of civil servants that failed miserably.
 
superhorns said:
The recent negotiations by our civil servants proved to be dreadful, so incompetent. The problem was our Brexit Ministers were sidelined in favour of civil servants that failed miserably.
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You really don't understand how the system works. Civil servants are given a task by their political masters which they carry out. They then report back on what can be achieved and what can't. At that point the minister in charge can say carry on, or reset how he wants it to go. On a subject like Brexit the cabinet will also have their say. Davis was the minister in charge of this, yet it is well known that he hardly became involved at all. After he went Raab thought he could be the hard man and force through something different, but eventually decided that the deal wasn't so bad, and signed up to it. At the same time he thought he would be making a pitch for PM, and told rather too many porkies exposing him for what he actually is. These are the politicians who chose through either laziness or ulterior motives to say what the civil servants should do, and failed. The civil servants did negotiate a deal based around May's red lines. Without those the deal could have looked quite different. The question has to be asked, where did those red lines come from? Out of her head seemingly because they were not discussed in the referendum.
 
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oldfrenchhorn said:
You really don't understand how the system works. Civil servants are given a task by their political masters which they carry out. They then report back on what can be achieved and what can't. At that point the minister in charge can say carry on, or reset how he wants it to go. On a subject like Brexit the cabinet will also have their say. Davis was the minister in charge of this, yet it is well known that he hardly became involved at all. After he went Raab thought he could be the hard man and force through something different, but eventually decided that the deal wasn't so bad, and signed up to it. At the same time he thought he would be making a pitch for PM, and told rather too many porkies exposing him for what he actually is. These are the politicians who chose through either laziness or ulterior motives to say what the civil servants should do, and failed. The civil servants did negotiate a deal based around May's red lines. Without those the deal could have looked quite different. The question has to be asked, where did those red lines come from? Out of her head seemingly because they were not discussed in the referendum.
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You fail to understand that both Davis and Raab were deliberately sidelined by remainer May and the senior civil servants. This is why they made such a hash of the negotiations. The red lines were clearly discussed before the referendum. Both sides said leaving the EU meant being outside the CU and the SM.
 
superhorns said:
The recent negotiations by our civil servants proved to be dreadful, so incompetent. The problem was our Brexit Ministers were sidelined in favour of civil servants that failed miserably.
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Totally a fantasy.. And another one of your projections. 'The chosen other is the bad object' .. Just the same mechanism as trumps..

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superhorns said:
You fail to understand that both Davis and Raab were deliberately sidelined by remainer May and the senior civil servants. This is why they made such a hash of the negotiations. The red lines were clearly discussed before the referendum. Both sides said leaving the EU meant being outside the CU and the SM.
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Rubbish.

Britain is considering joining Norway and Switzerland as a temporary member of the European Free Trade Association to avoid a potential economic cliff edge after Brexit, the U.K.'s Secretary of State for Exiting the EU David Davis said Friday. Faced with a scenario of tariffs and other potentially crippling trade restrictions if it crashes out of the single market and customs union in March 2019, Britain is scrambling to agree some kind of interim trading terms to maintain a foothold in Europe's free-trade area after Brexit.
 
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The EU, especially the French have said they will not renegotiate the withdrawal agreement. Parliament does not have the numbers to pass an agreement anywhere near May's rejected deal. The only answer is to leave without a deal on the 31st October. If parliament blocks the new PM's wish to leave without a deal it should be suspended until after we leave.
 
superhorns said:
The EU, especially the French have said they will not renegotiate the withdrawal agreement. Parliament does not have the numbers to pass an agreement anywhere near May's rejected deal. The only answer is to leave without a deal on the 31st October. If parliament blocks the new PM's wish to leave without a deal it should be suspended until after we leave.
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The EU, especially the French have said they will not renegotiate the withdrawal agreement. Correct. So why are you and some of the candidates saying they would renegotiate the deal?

Parliament does not have the numbers to pass an agreement anywhere near May's rejected deal. Correct.

The only answer is to leave without a deal on the 31st October. Incorrect. This will be blocked by MPs.

If parliament blocks the new PM's wish to leave without a deal it should be suspended until after we leave. This will also be blocked by MPs. It is a disgrace that anyone should even consider playing around with this idea as it leaves the country without government, drags the Queen into politics, and makes even a banana republic look sane.
 
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Surely the libraries, etc., could be funded without borrowing anything by a fairer taxation system... one where multi billion £ businesses actually contribute to the greater economy, where they actually pay more tax than their zero hour contracted minimum wage staff. That would be a start. Radical, eh?
 
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Hornet-Fez said:
Surely the libraries, etc., could be funded without borrowing anything by a fairer taxation system... one where multi billion £ businesses actually contribute to the greater economy, where they actually pay more tax than their zero hour contracted minimum wage staff. That would be a start. Radical, eh?
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They would leave the UK apparently <doh> One of my favourite ridiculous arguments...
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
The EU, especially the French have said they will not renegotiate the withdrawal agreement. Correct. So why are you and some of the candidates saying they would renegotiate the deal?

Parliament does not have the numbers to pass an agreement anywhere near May's rejected deal. Correct.

The only answer is to leave without a deal on the 31st October. Incorrect. This will be blocked by MPs.

If parliament blocks the new PM's wish to leave without a deal it should be suspended until after we leave. This will also be blocked by MPs. It is a disgrace that anyone should even consider playing around with this idea as it leaves the country without government, drags the Queen into politics, and makes even a banana republic look sane.
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Steady on with the predictions, your record has been pretty lousy so far. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
superhorns said:
Steady on with the predictions, your record has been pretty lousy so far. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
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Actually Frenchie won 2 out of 3 of our predictions leagues this year ! If you think you can do better then you are cordially invited to next seasons competitions - that is if you can drag yourself away from politics onto the more trivial threads.
 
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colognehornet said:
Actually Frenchie won 2 out of 3 of our predictions leagues this year ! If you think you can do better then you are cordially invited to next seasons competitions - that is if you can drag yourself away from politics onto the more trivial threads.
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Have your thought about running a knockout prediction league for the Tory leadership contest cologne? I am sure that SH would be eager to enter that one.
 
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