Off Topic Trevor Sinclair

[Chunksafc]

That’s also true. You should be able to get to degree level as you work to me. The Germans have a better system. Many of the top qualified top earners went down a non academic industrial route with associated qualifications as they develop.

It shouldnt need qualifications to work your way up to the top though.

I know of several brilliant people in my specialist area that are head and shoulders above a 'degree' qualified person but won't be considered for the top jobs as they don't have a bit of paper

 

[Sunderpitt]

I think my 3 years at university were very well spent, drinking playing sport and getting my leg-over at every available opportunity. I quite understand G Best's quote.

Back in the day, I got a grant otherwise I couldn't have gone as my family didn't have two pennies to rub together. I worked usually pot-hole filing for the local council during the vacs.

I reckon having to take out a loan would have give second thoughts about going to university.
I would not have been offered my first job if I didn't have a degree.

 

[Chunksafc]

Sticking to his guns then.

It's a pointless apology apart from a pathetic attempt to save his earnings.

 

[Nacho]

It's a pointless apology apart from a pathetic attempt to save his earnings.

Yeah the "sorry that you were offended by what I said" apologies don't mean a thing.

 

[The Professor]

I’d be surprised if he isn’t sacked. Probably deserves to be, but I think his apology is fair. Retains his beliefs but accepts its inappropriateness.

Nobody in the public eye should be making comments he did at this time

he was a grade A ****er as a player

Hes a grade A ****er as a bloke / human

its hes not sacked id be disgusted

 

[Sunderpitt]

Exactly! In that same way that: you can love your country without being xenophobic, racist, or bigoted; expressing left wing views doesn't automatically make you a righteous or kind person; admiring the Royal Family doesn't mean that you are incapable of critical thought; you can be opposed to the Royal Family without taking every opportunity to denigrate them or make snide remarks.

Incidentally, why do you insist on referring to the Royal Family by their former, Germanic, name?

I suppose, like my wife who is into gardening etc, usually calls plants by their Latin name, rather than as she puts it, their common or nick name.
During the WW1 the Royal family adopted a common/nick name but their proper name is i understand it was never formally changed.

Although after Diana and now Kate the germania heritage is diluted.

 

[Pure River Slut]

It shouldnt need qualifications to work your way up to the top though.

I know of several brilliant people in my specialist area that are head and shoulders above a 'degree' qualified person but won't be considered for the top jobs as they don't have a bit of paper

Aye but if you can do something well and people se rot and you can explain how and why you did it why do you have to write it down to get a qualification. If those skills were certificated some things would rebalance.

 

[DELETED ACCOUNT 1234]

It's a pointless apology apart from a pathetic attempt to save his earnings.

Should his livelihood be threatened though because he said something that, though many find distasteful, was not illegal or criminal in any way?

I understand why cancel culture exists when it comes to "hate speech", though many disagree with it. I struggle to see an argument to marginalise people who disagree with the mainstream though.

Do you think this is significantly different to "people looking for anything to get offended over" which you suggested was happening regarding your post a couple of days ago?

 

[Pure River Slut]

Should his livelihood be threatened though because he said something that, though many find distasteful, was not illegal or criminal in any way?

I understand why cancel culture exists when it comes to "hate speech", though many disagree with it. I struggle to see an argument to marginalise people who disagree with the mainstream though.

Do you think this is significantly different to "people looking for anything to get offended over" which you suggested was happening regarding your post a couple of days ago?

Yeah I agree with that. Ironically there’s been a lot of ‘virtue signalling’ and ‘snowflaking’ in the last few days.

 

[Chunksafc]

Should his livelihood be threatened though because he said something that, though many find distasteful, was not illegal or criminal in any way?

I understand why cancel culture exists when it comes to "hate speech", though many disagree with it. I struggle to see an argument to marginalise people who disagree with the mainstream though.

Do you think this is significantly different to "people looking for anything to get offended over" which you suggested was happening regarding your post a couple of days ago?

Is his original tweet not considered "hate speech"

As I have said many times, I don't see the offence in the photo

 

[Somebodys pinched my sombrero]

Haha what a prick you are. That just shows what a judgmental little menace you are I’ve got two degrees - I did a course - PE - then went back to do a professional qualification in youth justice oh and a diploma in systems thinking, and level 5 training in philosophical enquiry and another in restorative practice. So you carry on being an absolute weapon.

OK, so you’re an educated idiot.

 

[Pure River Slut]

Is his original tweet not considered "hate speech"

As I have said many times, I don't see the offence in the photo

It’s based on protected characteristics so technically no. Arguably you could go down the public order route but a solicitor would rip it to shreds and surely it would be classed by the new administration as woke policing.

 

[Pure River Slut]

OK, so you’re an educated idiot.

Spot on but at least I don’t pay money to war criminals and west tea towels on my head for a laugh

 

[Chunksafc]

It’s based on protected characteristics so technically no. Arguably you could go down the public order route but a solicitor would rip it to shreds and surely it would be classed by the new administration as woke policing.

So if I go stand outside Durham council offices complaining about back or brown people that wouldn't be construed as "hate speech"?

 

[Somebodys pinched my sombrero]

Spot on but at least I don’t pay money to war criminals and west tea towels on my head for a laugh

I use north tea towels

 

[The Norton Cat]

Yes but there are also a lot of exceptions to that. I run programmes around having a voice - all young people led their ideas their words about the world they live in and they make a manifesto. They amend the system better then you I or the government would tbh with our blinkered adult thinking. Yep girls a coupe of month back- incredibly bright energetic switched on, council estate girls family members in prison, academically bright - capable of uni - the teachers said so - feisty rule breakers but brilliant. Neither are schooling Uni because they will have to bring money into the family to ‘help mum’. ‘Why would I rack up 30grand of debt when I could help pay my mums bills’. I’d rather have these two running the country than the eton boys club. They get life. It maybe tells you why I get so angry with it all. It all ****ing stinks and needs changing.

Of course, there are exceptions to every rule. But people cannot complain that they have no chances in life when they have been offered, and not seen any value in, a free primary and secondary education.

I think people should be appointed to any job on the basis of their aptitude for it. I find it strange that they should held back on the basis of what school that they went to.

 

[DELETED ACCOUNT 1234]

Is his original tweet not considered "hate speech"

As I have said many times, I don't see the offence in the photo

I wouldn't say it was "hate speech", no. Disrespectful and distasteful yes, but he's not inciting hatred or promoting violence of any kind.

Just because you don't see anything offensive in the photo, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Just as Trevor Sinclair may not have intended his tweet to be as offensive as it was taken by some people.

I'm just trying to understand the contradiction, as I see it, between having a problem with "people looking to be offended" in one situation and then being offended by another. To me, it seems like the only difference is that you're offended by one thing (so you think offence is justified) and you're not offended by the other (so you see any "offended" people as "looking for it").

 

[Chunksafc]

I wouldn't say it was "hate speech", no. Disrespectful and distasteful yes, but he's not inciting hatred or promoting violence of any kind.

Just because you don't see anything offensive in the photo, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Just as Trevor Sinclair may not have intended his tweet to be as offensive as it was taken by some people.

I'm just trying to understand the contradiction, as I see it, between having a problem with "people looking to be offended" in one situation and then being offended by another. To me, it seems like the only difference is that you're offended by one thing (so you think offence is justified) and you're not offended by the other (so you see any "offended" people as "looking for it").

Really wish I hadn't posted that image or commented on that tweet.

Think it's safe to say I agree to disagree on both

 

[Spurlock]

Haha what a prick you are. That just shows what a judgmental little menace you are I’ve got two degrees - I did a course - PE - then went back to do a professional qualification in youth justice oh and a diploma in systems thinking, and level 5 training in philosophical enquiry and another in restorative practice. So you carry on being an absolute weapon.

how many GCSE’s did you get?

 

[Pure River Slut]

So if I go stand outside Durham council offices complaining about back or brown people that wouldn't be construed as "hate speech"?

Possibly yes because race is a protected characteristic. He wasn’t really targeting her because of her race I don’t think was he ? Maybe he was. I think it was because of what English people did to other races and cultures during the empire. Might be wrong on that.