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[moreinjuredthanowen]

This has been an impediment to agreement in the past. Was it Can who wanted longer than we were prepared to give him?
Anyway, like Coutinho, Suarez, Sterling etc he was someone we've somehow managed to live without.

not sure about Can but for sure probably windy was affected by this. Its about value i suppose when you get 2 years to the end of any deal. a 24 year old signing a 5 year deal can be flogged for big bucks at age 27 or 28. A 29 year old who endes up 32/33 and looking shaky becomes a bruden.

Its going to be a key part of it I think you are right. The option to exptend might be the way to go, or at least try fro the clubs perspective.

As jimmy keeps saying we were happy to shovel 200k at henderson up to age 35.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

Afcon could potentially be cancelled this year ...

 

[saintanton]

not sure about Can but for sure probably windy was affected by this. Its about value i suppose when you get 2 years to the end of any deal. a 24 year old signing a 5 year deal can be flogged for big bucks at age 27 or 28. A 29 year old who endes up 32/33 and looking shaky becomes a bruden.

Its going to be a key part of it I think you are right. The option to exptend might be the way to go, or at least try fro the clubs perspective.

As jimmy keeps saying we were happy to shovel 200k at henderson up to age 35.

Yeah, but according to Jimmy he's useless now so he'll be the same at 35.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

This has been an impediment to agreement in the past. Was it Can who wanted longer than we were prepared to give him?
Anyway, like Coutinho, Suarez, Sterling etc he was someone we've somehow managed to live without.

But the other argument is that we weren't;t winning anything because we kept losing our best players. Then we started buying and keeping quality players which led to success ...

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

Yeah, but according to Jimmy he's useless now so he'll be the same at 35.

Lol. My gripe with the Hendo contract is that it goes against our incredibly smart football operations since Klopp has been here, and how we've been ruthless when needed e.g Can and Gini.

Hendo is already over 30, picking more injuries and isn't getting any better. He already had a contract until he was 33 so doing his contract was not a priority. If anything, we should have waited longer so that he could prove he can last until he's 35.

Salah on the other hand is younger, fitter, looks physically incredible and is actually getting better.

In both examples, committing a huge amount of money to these contracts is always a risk.

 

[saintanton]

But the other argument is that we weren't;t winning anything because we kept losing our best players. Then we started buying and keeping quality players which led to success ...

Yes, but my argument has always been that there'll be someone else in the wings waiting to step in - even if we haven't heard of them yet.
You can't deny that there was considerable bleating over the loss of all of the 3 names I mentioned at the time.
Whatever, it's out of our hands so we can talk about it all we like but what will be, will be.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

Yes, but my argument has always been that there'll be someone else in the wings waiting to step in - even if we haven't heard of them yet.
You can't deny that there was considerable bleating over the loss of all of the 3 names I mentioned at the time.
Whatever, it's out of our hands so we can talk about it all we like but what will be, will be.

Yep I have no doubts that we would replace him well as I have a lot more faith in our recruitment these days.

I just feel that we should be striving to keep our best players, let alone the best player in the world right now.

 

[Solid Air]

Lol. My gripe with the Hendo contract is that it goes against our incredibly smart football operations since Klopp has been here, and how we've been ruthless when needed e.g Can and Gini.

Hendo is already over 30, picking more injuries and isn't getting any better. He already had a contract until he was 33 so doing his contract was not a priority. If anything, we should have waited longer so that he could prove he can last until he's 35.

Salah on the other hand is younger, fitter, looks physically incredible and is actually getting better.

In both examples, committing a huge amount of money to these contracts is always a risk.

as i've said before i supported Hendo when most were giving him pelters but like Jimmy i just didn't see the need for a new contract and certainly not on much better terms .

 

[Solid Air]

Yep I have no doubts that we would replace him well as I have a lot more faith in our recruitment these days.

I just feel that we should be striving to keep our best players, let alone the best player in the world right now.

I'm absolutely certain they are but we don't hold the cards Salah does .

 

[Tobes]

I don’t see the issue tbh. He wants to stay, he’s currently on fire and probably at the minute the best player in the world. It might cost your club another £10-15m a year to keep him, where’s the problem? Just pay it, get him signed, job done,

 

[saintanton]

Lol. My gripe with the Hendo contract is that it goes against our incredibly smart football operations since Klopp has been here, and how we've been ruthless when needed e.g Can and Gini.

Hendo is already over 30, picking more injuries and isn't getting any better. He already had a contract until he was 33 so doing his contract was not a priority. If anything, we should have waited longer so that he could prove he can last until he's 35.

Salah on the other hand is younger, fitter, looks physically incredible and is actually getting better.

In both examples, committing a huge amount of money to these contracts is always a risk.

The Hendo one is a bit odd - I grant you. Though it's interesting that Pep Lijnders says how important Milner is to the club off the pitch, so maybe there's more than meets the eye with Hendo too? Don't know, I'm guessing.
I have no problem with offering Mo up to £350k, like I said - it's the claims that the media are bandying about that I disagree with, though as I've mentioned they could well be just clickbait BS.
On Mo's fitness - yeah he looks great atm - but it's just guesswork how long he can keep it up, which is why I asked the question about the length of contract. My concern would be that he's having a peak period of 6-7 years after joining us, and it could tail off.
On his place in world's best players, he's certainly up there atm. However, players like Messi or Ronnie heralded their superstar status from a very early age whereas Mo has had to make steady progress to where he is now, and I can't help thinking that it's largely serendipity - he's been at the right club, with the right manager, at the right time, for him.

 

[saintanton]

Yep I have no doubts that we would replace him well as I have a lot more faith in our recruitment these days.

I just feel that we should be striving to keep our best players, let alone the best player in the world right now.

I agree. Of the three mentioned, I personally never thought Coutinho or Sterling were quite as big as they were billed. Suarez was, but he was determined to leave no matter what we offered him, so unless we wanted half the league with bite-marks we had to let him go.

 

[THE FOOL]

Thats fair enough for you or me.

We are talking about a lad who in effect can ring up his agent and say go talk to Newcastle, city, cheslea or psg or even real and say 400k is the price i'm ready to go here.

the only time we might get an offer is when we hand in notice.

He's said its up to LFC he's ready to stay so he's put the ball firmly in the clubs court to make an offer.

he can even now shrug and say they didn't offer what they knew was required and expect the fans to turn on the club not him.

LFC's job here is to maximise return from this deal.

You've massive shirt sales and image rights, you've golden boots left and right and you've every other player like it on nearly double the wages.

Salah 200k

Lewandowksi 350k
Messi 500k
neymar reputedly 600k per week min
mbappe 400k
ronaldo 500k
mr sancho reputably 350k
hazard 400k
benzema 300k
greizmann 600k
coutinho 400k
KDB 400k
grealish 350k
sterling 300k

the fact is we have never been the best paying club but at this point we have a player in his prime demanding parity with his nearest rivals (andmany gorssly over paid no marks)

The only thing not in salah's favour imo is age. If he was even 2 years yuonger he would be sought by all and sundry.

Funny but out of that list how many would you really want to come to the club 2? Maybe 3.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Funny but out of that list how many would you really want to come to the club 2? Maybe 3.

Come to our club? We cant afford the transfer fees anyway. This is about salah wanting to be paid like those players not us wanting any of them

 

[THE FOOL]

Come to our club? We cant afford the transfer fees anyway. This is about salah wanting to be paid like those players not us wanting any of them

Sorry, just thought it was an interesting hypothetical question.

 

[Solid Air]

Funny but out of that list how many would you really want to come to the club 2? Maybe 3.

i'd go 3 maybe 4
though ones already on his way

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

The Hendo one is a bit odd - I grant you. Though it's interesting that Pep Lijnders says how important Milner is to the club off the pitch, so maybe there's more than meets the eye with Hendo too? Don't know, I'm guessing.
I have no problem with offering Mo up to £350k, like I said - it's the claims that the media are bandying about that I disagree with, though as I've mentioned they could well be just clickbait BS.
On Mo's fitness - yeah he looks great atm - but it's just guesswork how long he can keep it up, which is why I asked the question about the length of contract. My concern would be that he's having a peak period of 6-7 years after joining us, and it could tail off.
On his place in world's best players, he's certainly up there atm. However, players like Messi or Ronnie heralded their superstar status from a very early age whereas Mo has had to make steady progress to where he is now, and I can't help thinking that it's largely serendipity - he's been at the right club, with the right manager, at the right time, for him.

Completely agree with you. But then we set a precedence with Hendo's contract which is why I'm hell bent that we should be signing up Salah (which I'm sure will be done).

 

[johnsonsbaby]

The Hendo one is a bit odd - I grant you. Though it's interesting that Pep Lijnders says how important Milner is to the club off the pitch, so maybe there's more than meets the eye with Hendo too? Don't know, I'm guessing.
I have no problem with offering Mo up to £350k, like I said - it's the claims that the media are bandying about that I disagree with, though as I've mentioned they could well be just clickbait BS.
On Mo's fitness - yeah he looks great atm - but it's just guesswork how long he can keep it up, which is why I asked the question about the length of contract. My concern would be that he's having a peak period of 6-7 years after joining us, and it could tail off.
On his place in world's best players, he's certainly up there atm. However, players like Messi or Ronnie heralded their superstar status from a very early age whereas Mo has had to make steady progress to where he is now, and I can't help thinking that it's largely serendipity - he's been at the right club, with the right manager, at the right time, for him.

One of the things I admire about your posts is the use of language, particularly words that I don't read anywhere near often enough. Serendipity

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Out of interest what would the precedent be that we were setting if we paid Salah £400k?

I don't personally think it would be setting a precedent. It could well be a one-off 'reward' contract for an outstanding player. I can, however, think of a few. To name one - that a player could hold us over a barrel to get what he wanted. I just wondered what others see as the precedent.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Out of interest what would the precedent be that we were setting if we paid Salah £400k?

I don't personally think it would be setting a precedent. It could well be a one-off 'reward' contract for an outstanding player. I can, however, think of a few. To name one - that a player could hold us over a barrel to get what he wanted. I just wondered what others see as the precedent.

I'd agree. It is nearly double our current max so its inevitable others will want to go up to their own new perceived level.

It's hard to know however compared to other clubs as each seems different