Todays atmosphere.

[City1904]

I can't stop doing something I haven't started. It's my considered opinion I post, I've not claimed anything else.

I've no intention of proving or disproving your opinion, but you have at least supported the main crux of my position, in that the atmosphere can, and should be improved, and open dialogue, rather petulance or denial's one of the best ways to achieve it.

Trying to claim the move is a success is negative and will be detrimental in the long term. We need to learn lessons from the mistakes that have clearly been made.

But claiming it has failed is also wrong. You can't prove one way or another yet, i said based on yesterday it was a success so far in my opinion. You claiming its not a success your opinion.

What we need is to improve the atmosphere, even if we get a great atmosphere there is always room for improvement so you are correct. But stop saying it is a failure after one game, its far to early to judge anything.

 

[GCTiger]

But stop saying it is a failure after one game, its far to early to judge anything.

^^This...It's like claiming a new player is totally ****e after one game!

 

[DMD]

But claiming it has failed is also wrong. You can't prove one way or another yet, i said based on yesterday it was a success so far in my opinion. You claiming its not a success your opinion.

What we need is to improve the atmosphere, even if we get a great atmosphere there is always room for improvement so you are correct. But stop saying it is a failure after one game, its far to early to judge anything.

It's neither right nor wrong, it's not proven either way. But that presupposes the ONLY criteria is atmosphere. There are many other associated issues which have clearly failed as it's been the final straw in some fans decision to re-new, and others have renewed on a watching brief before deciding whether to get a refund.

If you call it a success as it stands, then you're suggesting nothing else is done, yet clearly MUCH else needs going, and one of the failures with the current system was the poor communication and consideration of fans.

Other clubs have recently carried out similar moves and they took the time to communicate and listen to fans, so the move was far more successful and better accepted.

We've missed that boat, but there's a host of experience for the club to draw on to improve the situation from where we are, to where we want to be.

We just need better lines of communication.

 

[DMD]

^^This...It's like claiming a new player is totally ****e after one game!

I 100% agree. It's what I'd said before the game when others claimed this one game would determine if the move was a success.

It's been an experience to spot teething problems and adjust the set up accordingly. Unfortunately it's too late for some bits, such as the position of the pay on the day buffer, which were pointed out to the club but seemingly ignored. It's possible discussions could find a stop gap solution for this season.

 

[Amin Arrears]

It's neither right nor wrong, it's not proven either way. But that presupposes the ONLY criteria is atmosphere. There are many other associated issues which have clearly failed as it's been the final straw in some fans decision to re-new, and others have renewed on a watching brief before deciding whether to get a refund.

If you call it a success as it stands, then you're suggesting nothing else is done, yet clearly MUCH else needs going, and one of the failures with the current system was the poor communication and consideration of fans.

Other clubs have recently carried out similar moves and they took the time to communicate and listen to fans, so the move was far more successful and better accepted.

We've missed that boat, but there's a host of experience for the club to draw on to improve the situation from where we are, to where we want to be.

We just need better lines of communication.

Better accepted?

I find that hard to believe when there's only one hull city fan out of thousands who hasn't accepted it.

 

[DMD]

Better accepted?

I find that hard to believe when there's only one hull city fan out of thousands who hasn't accepted it.

I wonder if I've met this friend of yours? He needs to move on, as I've said for a while, we are where we are and the move won't go back for some time. We just need to make best of it and try to work with the club to improve the atmosphere.

Altering the mind set of some of the negative and needlessly disruptive types is one way forwards.

 

[Obadiah]

Better accepted?

I find that hard to believe when there's only one hull city fan out of thousands who hasn't accepted it.

You clearly haven't read or understood what I've written then.

Yesterday showed that splitting E1 to E3 made it more difficult to get the whole of the East Stand singing. The way the match went yesterday helped overcome those problems but they haven't solved the basic problem. Our main singing support is now split, with both sets of singers complaining they couldn't hear the others. It's good that the South Stand tried to join in but I didn't hear them which may explain why we didn't let them in to join the chant.

If the singers can't hear each other properly then it doesn't matter how good it sounds to the rest of the ground it causes problems getting it started.

 

[WhittlingStick]

i would have thought it makes more sense to spread the vocal support around the stadium a bit - it may appear worse from any one persons perspective - if you was in the thick of it last season .
But overall it should sound better from anywhere else in the stadium .

The thinking must be by spreading out the singers it will encourage more to join in .

im sure there are lots of people who would like to sing but may feel daft or embarrassed -

For example our lass was at her 2nd game (she had been with us a few yrs ago but was a bit bored in the west) and once she had the songs explained , was joining in like a good un .

she especially enjoyed the Steve Bruce chant ,ccoz she didnt get why we would chant the managers name haa !

 

[DMD]

i would have thought it makes more sense to spread the vocal support around the stadium a bit - it may appear worse from any one persons perspective - if you was in the thick of it last season .
But overall it should sound better from anywhere else in the stadium .

The thinking must be by spreading out the singers it will encourage more to join in .

im sure there are lots of people who would like to sing but may feel daft or embarrassed -

For example our lass was at her 2nd game (she had been with us a few yrs ago but was a bit bored in the west) and once she had the songs explained , was joining in like a good un .

she especially enjoyed the Steve Bruce chant ,ccoz she didnt get why we would chant the managers name haa !

I could see the logic if that were the case. There people in E4 - E6 that have tried for years to get singing going with limited success. They're still there and perhaps, some of the E1 - E3 evacuees could end up helping them out, however, this issue was pointed out to the club when it was aounced and they chose to ignore it.

There were a lot of empty seats in E4 - E6 at moving day, and it wouldn't have taken too much to have some sort of arrangement for a second singing stand in an area with a better view.

We need a viable fans group so these ideas can be put forward.

 

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[GCTiger]

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The continentals use these quite a bit!

 

[BOJACKHCAFCMAN]

'Mark Hughes, your just a **** Steve Bruce.' Favourite chant from yesterday.

 

[DMD]

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The continentals use these quite a bit!

The continentals tend to make noise, but in a different way to English fans as ours tend to reflect events on the pitch or stands. You can almost follow English games from the chants.

The cheerleaders tend to be heard, but few seem to take it up. I wonder about having a cheerleader in each section, but each in communication with each other, even if it's only by sight, so they could co-ordinate and provide a focus/lead?

 

[Amin Arrears]

There needs to be some sort of visual coordination as the speed sound travels at is too slow for fans in different stands to join in chants together by ear.

 

[WhittlingStick]

I could see the logic if that were the case. There people in E4 - E6 that have tried for years to get singing going with limited success. They're still there and perhaps, some of the E1 - E3 evacuees could end up helping them out, however, this issue was pointed out to the club when it was aounced and they chose to ignore it.

There were a lot of empty seats in E4 - E6 at moving day, and it wouldn't have taken too much to have some sort of arrangement for a second singing stand in an area with a better view.

We need a viable fans group so these ideas can be put forward.

can't help but feel ur arguing about something else . :/


anyway back to helpful ideas , as already pointed out the longer chants may encourage more to join in .

i trying to think of why many wont/dont join in rather than making the noise more appealing from a specific seat in the stadium .

i can only speak for myself and i used to feel a bit of a clown joining in a chant on west stand for it to stop soon after (there was a smattering of a dozen or so people per block there )
if the chants kept going maybe the lad sat behind may also get the compulsion to join in etc etc
Of course this is old news and a long story but this problem wasnt apparent in southstand BP

 

[Davies Headband]

DMD can you please stop touting your opinion as the opinion of everyone, you clearly don't agree with the move and that is affecting your opinion on other things. You felt yesterday was a quiet atmosphere, fine thats your opinion, i would hope thought you could distinguish between your opinion and fact.

On the subject of the atmosphere as a complete neutral i would think i can offer a fairly reasoned opinion. I sit in the west stand, i am not bothered about the change from east to north, it doesn't affect me and it never will as i don't plan to move. Firstly i thought from an aesthetics point of view, seeing the City fans behind the goal was brilliant, hopefully they will be allowed to stand up as they where in the east stand. Personally i think we should be shooting that way in the second half as imagine shooting towards the North Stand when we are 1-0 down trying to score, i think the atmosphere will be exceptional.

I thought the sound yesterday was as good as, if not better than anything last year. From the west stand it sounded as good as i have heard for a number of years. The north stand was as loud as anything last year, some of the east stand definitely got involved and it made a cracking atmosphere. We where dead a number of times last year, so first game of the season i felt it was a great start. I think as people in the North stand get used to been there hopefully it will get louder to. Based on one game i would say the move has been a success so far, yet that's the first game and i think it will only get better.

However this is my opinion and not fact. Please try and disprove my opinion DMD i can't wait.

I've said a couple of times I think we should play the other way around in each half and use the North Stand as our Kop.

I enjoyed the atmosphere yesterday, there didn't seem to be any massive whingers around us in N4, there was good noise and the girl next to me was pretty fit which always helps too!! One thing I did notice from yesterday though was how long it took us to get from our seats to the concourse at half time, the queues were like they are at full time. Didn't take long to get served either before the game or at half time which was a bonus.

 

[DMD]

There needs to be some sort of visual coordination as the speed sound travels at is too slow for fans in different stands to join in chants together by ear.

True, that'd work in East, but now E1 is in North, it'll have to be some other method as the lack of continuity screws up a visual relay.

E4's going to be the area for banter and interaction, as the North standers are now too far away, which is a shame as they'd got fairly good at it in E1. Hopefully people can be shuffled roud somehow, or some in E4 can take it up?

 

[DMD]

can't help but feel ur arguing about something else . :/


anyway back to helpful ideas , as already pointed out the longer chants may encourage more to join in .

i trying to think of why many wont/dont join in rather than making the noise more appealing from a specific seat in the stadium .

i can only speak for myself and i used to feel a bit of a clown joining in a chant on west stand for it to stop soon after (there was a smattering of a dozen or so people per block there )
if the chants kept going maybe the lad sat behind may also get the compulsion to join in etc etc
Of course this is old news and a long story but this problem wasnt apparent in southstand BP

What do you reckon to some sort of scheme where fans could swap seats within an area, so the 'singers' can get together and others be left in peace?

I'd suggest the club push the back rows for more vocal, active supporters?

 

[WhittlingStick]

unless someone says otherwise i cant see theres many people at a football game - especially in the East Stand that "want to be left in peace" so i dont think its necessary to clump every singer into a section

the call and response of the North/east chant is probably the best way to get an atmosphere going - cant we just give it a chance before condemning the idea

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

The liverpool game was unique. Winning against a big side with the added off the pitch problems. Yesterday was vastly improved from recent seasons and I was in N4 where it was quiet at points but the large majority of the time it was noisy. One of a minority in claims it was quiet as lets face it the atmosphere in recent years has been s**t

I admit the crowd noise sounded muted on MOTD. But it always used to at Boothferry Park. I've come away from there after some games almost deaf in both ears from the noise then watched the highlights on telly and the sound came sounding across like the Luton Girls Choir.
I do think at some grounds the microphones are situated to pick up the noise and at the KC we have one on the half way line of the East Stand, facing the pitch, and god knows where the others are.