But claiming it has failed is also wrong. You can't prove one way or another yet, i said based on yesterday it was a success so far in my opinion. You claiming its not a success your opinion. What we need is to improve the atmosphere, even if we get a great atmosphere there is always room for improvement so you are correct. But stop saying it is a failure after one game, its far to early to judge anything.
It's neither right nor wrong, it's not proven either way. But that presupposes the ONLY criteria is atmosphere. There are many other associated issues which have clearly failed as it's been the final straw in some fans decision to re-new, and others have renewed on a watching brief before deciding whether to get a refund. If you call it a success as it stands, then you're suggesting nothing else is done, yet clearly MUCH else needs going, and one of the failures with the current system was the poor communication and consideration of fans. Other clubs have recently carried out similar moves and they took the time to communicate and listen to fans, so the move was far more successful and better accepted. We've missed that boat, but there's a host of experience for the club to draw on to improve the situation from where we are, to where we want to be. We just need better lines of communication.
I 100% agree. It's what I'd said before the game when others claimed this one game would determine if the move was a success. It's been an experience to spot teething problems and adjust the set up accordingly. Unfortunately it's too late for some bits, such as the position of the pay on the day buffer, which were pointed out to the club but seemingly ignored. It's possible discussions could find a stop gap solution for this season.
Better accepted? I find that hard to believe when there's only one hull city fan out of thousands who hasn't accepted it.
I wonder if I've met this friend of yours? He needs to move on, as I've said for a while, we are where we are and the move won't go back for some time. We just need to make best of it and try to work with the club to improve the atmosphere. Altering the mind set of some of the negative and needlessly disruptive types is one way forwards.
You clearly haven't read or understood what I've written then. Yesterday showed that splitting E1 to E3 made it more difficult to get the whole of the East Stand singing. The way the match went yesterday helped overcome those problems but they haven't solved the basic problem. Our main singing support is now split, with both sets of singers complaining they couldn't hear the others. It's good that the South Stand tried to join in but I didn't hear them which may explain why we didn't let them in to join the chant. If the singers can't hear each other properly then it doesn't matter how good it sounds to the rest of the ground it causes problems getting it started.
i would have thought it makes more sense to spread the vocal support around the stadium a bit - it may appear worse from any one persons perspective - if you was in the thick of it last season . But overall it should sound better from anywhere else in the stadium . The thinking must be by spreading out the singers it will encourage more to join in . im sure there are lots of people who would like to sing but may feel daft or embarrassed - For example our lass was at her 2nd game (she had been with us a few yrs ago but was a bit bored in the west) and once she had the songs explained , was joining in like a good un . she especially enjoyed the Steve Bruce chant ,ccoz she didnt get why we would chant the managers name haa !
I could see the logic if that were the case. There people in E4 - E6 that have tried for years to get singing going with limited success. They're still there and perhaps, some of the E1 - E3 evacuees could end up helping them out, however, this issue was pointed out to the club when it was aounced and they chose to ignore it. There were a lot of empty seats in E4 - E6 at moving day, and it wouldn't have taken too much to have some sort of arrangement for a second singing stand in an area with a better view. We need a viable fans group so these ideas can be put forward.
The continentals tend to make noise, but in a different way to English fans as ours tend to reflect events on the pitch or stands. You can almost follow English games from the chants. The cheerleaders tend to be heard, but few seem to take it up. I wonder about having a cheerleader in each section, but each in communication with each other, even if it's only by sight, so they could co-ordinate and provide a focus/lead?
There needs to be some sort of visual coordination as the speed sound travels at is too slow for fans in different stands to join in chants together by ear.
can't help but feel ur arguing about something else . :/ anyway back to helpful ideas , as already pointed out the longer chants may encourage more to join in . i trying to think of why many wont/dont join in rather than making the noise more appealing from a specific seat in the stadium . i can only speak for myself and i used to feel a bit of a clown joining in a chant on west stand for it to stop soon after (there was a smattering of a dozen or so people per block there ) if the chants kept going maybe the lad sat behind may also get the compulsion to join in etc etc Of course this is old news and a long story but this problem wasnt apparent in southstand BP
I've said a couple of times I think we should play the other way around in each half and use the North Stand as our Kop. I enjoyed the atmosphere yesterday, there didn't seem to be any massive whingers around us in N4, there was good noise and the girl next to me was pretty fit which always helps too!! One thing I did notice from yesterday though was how long it took us to get from our seats to the concourse at half time, the queues were like they are at full time. Didn't take long to get served either before the game or at half time which was a bonus.
True, that'd work in East, but now E1 is in North, it'll have to be some other method as the lack of continuity screws up a visual relay. E4's going to be the area for banter and interaction, as the North standers are now too far away, which is a shame as they'd got fairly good at it in E1. Hopefully people can be shuffled roud somehow, or some in E4 can take it up?
What do you reckon to some sort of scheme where fans could swap seats within an area, so the 'singers' can get together and others be left in peace? I'd suggest the club push the back rows for more vocal, active supporters?
unless someone says otherwise i cant see theres many people at a football game - especially in the East Stand that "want to be left in peace" so i dont think its necessary to clump every singer into a section the call and response of the North/east chant is probably the best way to get an atmosphere going - cant we just give it a chance before condemning the idea
I admit the crowd noise sounded muted on MOTD. But it always used to at Boothferry Park. I've come away from there after some games almost deaf in both ears from the noise then watched the highlights on telly and the sound came sounding across like the Luton Girls Choir. I do think at some grounds the microphones are situated to pick up the noise and at the KC we have one on the half way line of the East Stand, facing the pitch, and god knows where the others are.
