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  1. Ron

    Ron Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    By Timeform -- published 18th November 2014

    Last updated: to cover racing to 16/11/14.

    NOVICE CHASERS
    162 GOD'S OWN
    152p SOUTHFIELD THEATRE
    151p CHAMPAGNE WEST
    153§ COLOUR SQUADRON
    150 CAUSE OF CAUSES
    149+ THE ROMFORD PELE
    148 GRANDOUET
    147p ALELCHI INOIS
    147 ABEL DEPUTY
    145p KINGS PALACE
    145p SHANAHAN'S TURN
    145p THE YOUNG MASTER
    144p THE TULLOW TANK
    144 SAUSALITO SUNRISE
    143x TED VEALE
    142p COURT MINSTREL
    142p PTIT ZIG
    142p TANERKO EMERY
    142p VIBRATO VALTAT
    142 ATTAGLANCE

    NOVICE HURDLERS
    147+ VYTA DU ROC
    143 BLAKLION
    142+ PRESENT VIEW
    141 PARLOUR GAMES
    140p MORNING RUN
    140 CHALK IT DOWN
    139p EMERGING TALENT
    139 HASH BROWN
    138p IN THE ROUGH
    138 RICH COAST
    137p ALPHA DES OBEAUX
    137p EXITAS
    137 COMMISSIONED
    136p ALTON BAY
    136p OTAGO TRAIL
    136 GOONYELLA
    136 SHIELD
    135p SHEAMUS
    134p SHANTOU BOB
    134p URUBU D'IRLANDE

    NH FLAT HORSES
    124 SHANESHILL
    123 NO MORE HEROES
    123 SILVER CONCORDE
    122+ MILSEAN
    122 TEA FOR TWO
    121 VALUE AT RISK
    120 DEFINITLY RED
    120 VAGO COLLONGES
    119p MOON RACER
    119 BLACK HERCULES
    119 EL NAMOOSE
    119 FAUGHEEN
    118p FORGOTTEN RULES
    118 JOSHUA LANE
    118 KILLULTAGH VIC
    118 RATHVINDEN
    117+ GAITWAY
    117+ RED SHERLOCK
    117 VIGIL
    116+ MACBRIDE
     
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    By Timeform -- published 18th November 2014

    Last updated: to cover racing to 16/11/2014.

    CHASERS
    192? SPRINTER SACRE
    180 CUE CARD
    176 SILVINIACO CONTI
    176? BOBS WORTH
    175 CAPTAIN CHRIS
    174 FLEMENSTAR
    172+ SIRE DE GRUGY
    171 DYNASTE
    171 SIR DES CHAMPS
    169x MENORAH
    165 ROAD TO RICHES
    165 SIZING EUROPE
    165 TIDAL BAY
    165x HARRY TOPPER
    164 WISHFULL THINKING
    163p CHAMPAGNE FEVER
    163 ARVIKA LIGEONNIERE
    163 BOSTON BOB
    162+ BALDER SUCCES
    162 GOD'S OWN
    162 THE GIANT BOLSTER


    HURDLERS
    173p MORE OF THAT
    170 JEZKI
    170 MY TENT OR YOURS
    169 THE NEW ONE
    168p UN DE SCEAUX
    168 HURRICANE FLY
    166p FAUGHEEN
    165 ANNIE POWER
    164 SOLWHIT
    162+ SAPHIR DU RHEU
    162 MELODIC RENDEZVOUS
    162 REVE DE SIVOLA
    161p VAUTOUR
    161 THOUSAND STARS
    161 ZARKANDAR
    161x AT FISHERS CROSS
    160 CAPTAIN CEE BEE
    160 PURPLE BAY
    159 DIKALI
    159 ROCK ON RUBY


    JUVENILE HURDLERS
    135p STARS OVER THE SEA
    133p KAREZAK
    133 GOLDEN DOYEN
    129p MR GALLIVANTER
    128p HARGAM
    126p BARAKA DE THAIX
    126 STARCHITECT
    125p TOP NOTCH
    125 L'AIGLE ROYAL
    125 UNANIMITE
    124 DAI BANDO
    122p CHATEZ
    122 GOODBYE DANCER
    121 COME ON SUNSHINE
    120p BUISENESS SIVOLA
    120p TOP OF THE GLAS
    120 RUSSIAN BOLERO
    120 VOSNE ROMANEE
    119p MARRACUDJA
    119 GIMME FIVE
    119 SAINT LINO
     
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    By Simon Rowlands -- published 18th November 2014

    This week Simon examines which sires you need to follow- and avoid- through the winter on the all-weather.

    There are many different factors to consider when weighing up a horse’s chances on an all-weather surface, but one which continues to have value, and to be profitable in some circumstances, is to look at the identity of its sire.

    As with most “stats”, an ounce of realisation is worth a pound of speculation. It matters not one bit that a horse’s sire is a “good” all-weather sire if the horse in question repeatedly underperforms on all-weather. Or, for that matter, if that horse’s sire is a “poor” all-weather sire and the horse in question has proved its effectiveness on all-weather.

    But there is a vast pool of horses for which such matters are unknown, or at least undecided: horses which have not run on all-weather or which have run under circumstances that leave the results open to interpretation.

    These are horses for which an understanding of the customary effectiveness, or ineffectiveness, of a sire’s offspring on a given surface could be one of the most valuable pieces of information a punter possesses.

    In the above, I have referred to all-weather as one entity, for convenience. But the truth is that the specific nature of the all-weather surface on which a horse runs may well have a great bearing on how well it runs.

    Fibresand – which is used only at Southwell – is deeper, more stamina-sapping, and results in slower finishes and wider margins between horses, than Polytrack. Previous surveys have shown that US-bred horses fare better on Fibresand – which resembles dirt in some respects – than on Polytrack.

    Those two surfaces have been joined recently at Wolverhampton by Tapeta, which is similar to Polytrack in terms of its speed, but which could still produce specialists in terms of the sires which perform well there. After just three months of racing on Tapeta, it is too early to tell for sure.

    The following tables look at the figures for sires on Fibresand, Polytrack and Tapeta in Britain and Ireland from 01/01/2011 to 31/10/2014 inclusive. The maximum performance rating of each offspring during that period on each of the surfaces was identified and used (the alternative of considering every performance of every horse would involve considerable multiple-counting).

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    As can be seen, Speightstown is an outstanding sire of horses running on Fibresand, though he is also a decidedly good sire of Polytrack performers. Street Cry also appears in the top 12 on both surfaces. The appearance of Sakhee’s Secret (a solid enough sire overall) and Multiplex in the bottom 12 Fibresand sires in terms of ratings is an interesting feature.

    As mentioned, the data for Tapeta sires is far from extensive, but Pivotal’s figures stand out as being good at this stage.

    Knowing that a sire has a good record on all-weather, or on a specific all-weather surface, is useful but may not be especially valuable if many other people are aware of this fact. For instance, Speightstown’s excellent record is unlikely to have taken many all-weather aficionados by surprise.

    The following tables consider a sire’s Profit/Loss at Betfair Starting Price, before commission, as well as its Return On Investment (a more meaningful figure, as it takes into account the number of theoretical bets struck to achieve this P/L).

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    There are some familiar names, and some less familiar names, there. Speightstown has slipped off both lists (though is in profit on both Fibresand and Polytrack in the period under review), while Street Cry sneaks into the top 12 list for Fibresand sires by ROI. Top of that list, by a long way, is Fasliyev, while Statue of Liberty is in the top five on Fibresand by both rating and ROI.

    Fasliyev also appears in the bottom list for Polytrack: in terms of performance against market expectation he is a considerably better sire on Fibresand than on Polytrack. Multiplex – a poor sire on Fibresand in terms of the ratings of his offspring – is an excellent sire on Polytrack in terms of profitability.

    Top of the profitability list on Tapeta, at this early stage, are Pivotal and Exceed And Excel, both sires who figured well in terms of ratings on the surface also.

    All-weather racing comes thick, if not always especially fast, over the next few months, and opportunities to put theories based on the above into practice should be plentiful.
     
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    I just hope Speightstown will easily bounce back.
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