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Some fantastic stuff here BL and a fellow autograph hunter like myself. Some interesting autographs and when I look back at mine I'm amazed at who I actually got because it was all rather rushed after a game to get the away team to sign before they got on their coach to go home, especially night matches in the dark. But I have the likes of Rodney Marsh and Terry Venables when playing for QPR back in those days. Thanks for posting some great stuff.
NOSTALGIA: Andy ‘Jock’ Davidson, 60 years on
By Amber Nectar
http://www.ambernectar.org/blog/2012/09/nostalgia-andy-jock-davidson-60-years-on/
By When Saturday Comes
http://www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/1152...emarkable-career-of-hull-city-s-andy-davidson
Hull City: Why record-breaking Andy Davidson will always stand as Tigers' greatest servant
By HDM
http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/story-16854508-detail/story.html
by NeilTheasby
Saturday, September 08 2012, 10:32AM
“Andy Davidson - I salute you! For me as a boy of thirteen the 65-66 season was simply magical. Obviously most of us had our eyes on the attacking skills of Chilton, Wagstaff, Houghton and Butler but you were the captain and a stalwart in defence. As club skipper you were "second to none" said Chris Chilton and on behalf of Hull City supporters everywhere I'd just like to say thank you for your loyalty and your proud commitment to the club. I hope you remain happy and healthy in your retirement. One Jock Davidson! There Was Only One Jock Davidson! Up The Tigers!”
by CabinetMerlot
Saturday, September 08 2012, 10:22AM
“I was honored to know the man as I, as a young lad, pestered him for autographs, away match programs and other City memorabilia. He was never anything other than courteous often directing me towards his mother in laws house on Boothferry Road when he did have programs for me and could easily be collected from there.
A no nonsense full back who would have been shown a few yellow and red cards by the refs of today with his uncompromising play. Congratulations Jock and thanks for putting up with one pesky nuisance back in the 1960's LOL.”
by Daveinleeds
Saturday, September 08 2012, 9:54AM
“that was the way do it
loyalty like that
he really was one of us
I remember well watching him play, a real honest footballer and part of that great team
great memories
thank you Mr Davidson”
by Stu_B
Saturday, September 08 2012, 9:19AM
“Privileged to watch him play. Now this man was a true role model.”
by hullcity2010
Saturday, September 08 2012, 7:44AM
“Great player.”
• by baldkipper
Sunday, September 09 2012, 9:27AM
“Unfortunately I am too young to have watched this city legend. A great article, I salute you Jock.
Surely a statue at the KC to honour this great man is necessary.
Do it now so he can be lauded by us all.
A shame the picture mentioned at Paragon station is not here to see though?”
by Hullboy
Sunday, September 09 2012, 1:22AM
“Had the privilage of not only watching Jock from the South Stand over many years before heading to Oz as a 16 year old but also being under his leadership as a Junior trainee at the club. I doubt if any present or future Tiger will even get close to wearing our great colours as many times as Jock did. May i wish him and his wife good health in their twilight years. I for one will always remember this great Tiger.”
by Yrksman
Saturday, September 08 2012, 11:58PM
“We have still not replaced Ash, although there were signs last Saturday that we might have in Stephen Quinn. I am old enough to have seen both players many times. Outstanding captains both but Jock Davidson played in a different era when agents didn't exist and players stayed at the same club far longer than in the modern era. Neither player came from Hull but they both still have black and amber blood in their veins and live close to the city. It is time Ash, like Jock, had a testimonial game. “
by yank4hullcity
Saturday, September 08 2012, 9:57PM
“I got a kick out of that statement about Jock never forgiving ref Jack Taylor for "cheating" us out of two penalties in the FA CUP game away to Chelsea that ended in a 2-2 draw. We came back from 2-0 down and I think it was Waggy's goal that tied it. If I remember correctly, he dribbled around two players and then around their goalie Bonetti and tapped it in. It was brilliant! Then, at 2-2, I think it was Houghton had a header blatantly handled on the goal-line and the ref did not give it. A penalty without a doubt. The ref stole the win from us and I've carried the same grudge all these years. I attended the replay at Boothferry Park as a 9-year old and we had to sit over the barrier next to the pitch there were that many in attendance, 45,000 or so?. Heartbreaking when we lost that night. The FA CUP meant everything back then. Great article, brought back memories.”
• by Tigerholic
Saturday, September 08 2012, 9:46PM
“I was privileged to watch Jock D play and I have to say that in the 60s Jock was part of a tremendous team which included Chillo and Waggy. They were a brilliant team and Jock was an integral part of the set up. He was a mountain of a man and looked after the youngsters like Chillo in the team.
Take Care
Andy
”
by GarethC2010
Saturday, September 08 2012, 8:18PM
“This gentleman preceded my following of Hull City he clearly has been a great servant of the club and a model professional.
Well done to HDM for a change, an articulate and interesting article for a change.”
by Britincal2010
Saturday, September 08 2012, 3:10PM
“Players like Jock Davidson have disappeared from today's game which is rapidly becoming a non contact sport full of bad actors and prima donnas. When he went into a tackle you knew that he was going for the ball and if the opposing player got in the way then that was just too bad! Intelligent, reliable, uncompromising, brave and honest, all of these adjectives applied to a footballer who took no prisoners, never shirked a tackle and took his inevitable injuries like a man. It was always a privilege and a pleasure to watch you play Jock!”
by TonyM
Saturday, September 08 2012, 12:12PM
“Over the years, you can probably count on the fingers of both hands how many really great club captains there have been. People like Booby Moore and Roy Keane spring to mind, but in Ian Ashbee and Jock Davidson we have had a couple of the best. Andy Davidson is a born leader, and he seemed to have an aura about him on the pitch. He was not without skill though. I remember one match when the ball dropped behind him, over his head, and with great presence of mind, he flicked his heel up and launched the ball into the opposition penalty area. The ironic cheers that rang out, told you that was something we didn't see too often, but he seemed to enjoy the feedback from the crowd, and he had that great rapport with them. There is an excellent clip, I think on the Waggy and Chilton DVD or on YouTube, where he talked about having to "take action" against one of the opposition players because they were continually fouling ours. He seemed to look after his players as though they were his own kids, and there was an obvious respect for the man. It's great to see that Andy Davidson is still going strong, and lovely to hear that he has been married for 53 years, which in this day and age, is arguably a greater achievement. I wish Andy and his wife continued good health, and a long and happy life, and I'm just grateful that I saw some of Hull City's all time greats play, of which he was definitely the leader, in that 1965-66 team.”
by adolfo
Monday, September 10 2012, 9:29AM
“6566, I am with you with Chilton and wagstaff...and I am an admirer of chilton's prowess, a great header of the ball, and more gifted on the ground than given credit for. You should try and get his biography, it is full of facts on how he played the best centrehalves, (do you remember Duncan Forbes), it will astonish you as Chillo comes across as a grea thinker of the game, as his years in Africa will no doubt show you (its all in the book!). great memories.”
by tigers6566
Monday, September 10 2012, 8:24AM
“Just want to say that,although 2008 ranks as the greatest year for Hull City for me,1965/66 will stay in my memory forever.My hero was Chris Chilton,Waggy a hairsbreadth behind,and there were other wonderful players like Ian Butler.Jock is sometimes overlooked,but he was the captain who looked after all the others and his contribution was,perhaps,the greatest of them all.I am sure the rest of that team still remember him with admiration.I hope that Jock has many more years to see His Team fulfill what we all want for the greatest colours of them all,amber and black.Upthe Tigers and long live Jock.”
by HCAFCscarb
Sunday, September 09 2012, 9:30PM
“Some of my best times following City came between 1966 and 1973 .
Even better times then when city were in the premier league .
Good crowds , much noise and some decent players .
Being in division one as it was or the premier league isn't everything .
I wish we had stayed at BP and brought it up to standard and I wish we still had standing
In the Kempton .”
by martingoalie
Sunday, September 09 2012, 7:35PM
“Excellent article on Andy davidson - well done H D M. Hello Neil Theasy & well said ! I hope you're well. As the wonderful 'TIGER RAG' boomed out Andy Davidson would walk onto the pitch leading City out then he would sprint and drop-kick the ball into the North Stand goal ! An extra cheer would rise when the net bulged ! He was also a regular penalty kicker - with a good scoring record ; the spot-kick duty was then taken-over by Ken Houghton (who was pretty good an ' all !). The suggestion of a statue of Andy Davidson is a great idea - there can be few players more worthy. He was a fantastic footballer”
by tigerwally
Sunday, September 09 2012, 4:45PM
“It was great to live down Westfield Rd in the 1950/60's where several Tiger players also resided. "Jock" Davidson lived about four days away from us. A great player and a fantastic servant to Hull City. Many years later I was overjoyed to meet a professional footballer, Lex Bailie at a relatives wedding in Scotland. He asked where I was from to which he replied you maybe know my uncle Jock Davidson, what a coincidence and we had a long chat about his career, wonderful stuff.”
By Amber Nectar
http://www.ambernectar.org/blog/2012/09/nostalgia-andy-jock-davidson-60-years-on/
By When Saturday Comes
http://www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/1152...emarkable-career-of-hull-city-s-andy-davidson
Hull City: Why record-breaking Andy Davidson will always stand as Tigers' greatest servant
By HDM
http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/story-16854508-detail/story.html
by NeilTheasby
Saturday, September 08 2012, 10:32AM
“Andy Davidson - I salute you! For me as a boy of thirteen the 65-66 season was simply magical. Obviously most of us had our eyes on the attacking skills of Chilton, Wagstaff, Houghton and Butler but you were the captain and a stalwart in defence. As club skipper you were "second to none" said Chris Chilton and on behalf of Hull City supporters everywhere I'd just like to say thank you for your loyalty and your proud commitment to the club. I hope you remain happy and healthy in your retirement. One Jock Davidson! There Was Only One Jock Davidson! Up The Tigers!”
by CabinetMerlot
Saturday, September 08 2012, 10:22AM
“I was honored to know the man as I, as a young lad, pestered him for autographs, away match programs and other City memorabilia. He was never anything other than courteous often directing me towards his mother in laws house on Boothferry Road when he did have programs for me and could easily be collected from there.
A no nonsense full back who would have been shown a few yellow and red cards by the refs of today with his uncompromising play. Congratulations Jock and thanks for putting up with one pesky nuisance back in the 1960's LOL.”
by Daveinleeds
Saturday, September 08 2012, 9:54AM
“that was the way do it
loyalty like that
he really was one of us
I remember well watching him play, a real honest footballer and part of that great team
great memories
thank you Mr Davidson”
by Stu_B
Saturday, September 08 2012, 9:19AM
“Privileged to watch him play. Now this man was a true role model.”
by hullcity2010
Saturday, September 08 2012, 7:44AM
“Great player.”
• by baldkipper
Sunday, September 09 2012, 9:27AM
“Unfortunately I am too young to have watched this city legend. A great article, I salute you Jock.
Surely a statue at the KC to honour this great man is necessary.
Do it now so he can be lauded by us all.
A shame the picture mentioned at Paragon station is not here to see though?”
by Hullboy
Sunday, September 09 2012, 1:22AM
“Had the privilage of not only watching Jock from the South Stand over many years before heading to Oz as a 16 year old but also being under his leadership as a Junior trainee at the club. I doubt if any present or future Tiger will even get close to wearing our great colours as many times as Jock did. May i wish him and his wife good health in their twilight years. I for one will always remember this great Tiger.”
by Yrksman
Saturday, September 08 2012, 11:58PM
“We have still not replaced Ash, although there were signs last Saturday that we might have in Stephen Quinn. I am old enough to have seen both players many times. Outstanding captains both but Jock Davidson played in a different era when agents didn't exist and players stayed at the same club far longer than in the modern era. Neither player came from Hull but they both still have black and amber blood in their veins and live close to the city. It is time Ash, like Jock, had a testimonial game. “
by yank4hullcity
Saturday, September 08 2012, 9:57PM
“I got a kick out of that statement about Jock never forgiving ref Jack Taylor for "cheating" us out of two penalties in the FA CUP game away to Chelsea that ended in a 2-2 draw. We came back from 2-0 down and I think it was Waggy's goal that tied it. If I remember correctly, he dribbled around two players and then around their goalie Bonetti and tapped it in. It was brilliant! Then, at 2-2, I think it was Houghton had a header blatantly handled on the goal-line and the ref did not give it. A penalty without a doubt. The ref stole the win from us and I've carried the same grudge all these years. I attended the replay at Boothferry Park as a 9-year old and we had to sit over the barrier next to the pitch there were that many in attendance, 45,000 or so?. Heartbreaking when we lost that night. The FA CUP meant everything back then. Great article, brought back memories.”
• by Tigerholic
Saturday, September 08 2012, 9:46PM
“I was privileged to watch Jock D play and I have to say that in the 60s Jock was part of a tremendous team which included Chillo and Waggy. They were a brilliant team and Jock was an integral part of the set up. He was a mountain of a man and looked after the youngsters like Chillo in the team.
Take Care
Andy
”by GarethC2010
Saturday, September 08 2012, 8:18PM
“This gentleman preceded my following of Hull City he clearly has been a great servant of the club and a model professional.
Well done to HDM for a change, an articulate and interesting article for a change.”
by Britincal2010
Saturday, September 08 2012, 3:10PM
“Players like Jock Davidson have disappeared from today's game which is rapidly becoming a non contact sport full of bad actors and prima donnas. When he went into a tackle you knew that he was going for the ball and if the opposing player got in the way then that was just too bad! Intelligent, reliable, uncompromising, brave and honest, all of these adjectives applied to a footballer who took no prisoners, never shirked a tackle and took his inevitable injuries like a man. It was always a privilege and a pleasure to watch you play Jock!”
by TonyM
Saturday, September 08 2012, 12:12PM
“Over the years, you can probably count on the fingers of both hands how many really great club captains there have been. People like Booby Moore and Roy Keane spring to mind, but in Ian Ashbee and Jock Davidson we have had a couple of the best. Andy Davidson is a born leader, and he seemed to have an aura about him on the pitch. He was not without skill though. I remember one match when the ball dropped behind him, over his head, and with great presence of mind, he flicked his heel up and launched the ball into the opposition penalty area. The ironic cheers that rang out, told you that was something we didn't see too often, but he seemed to enjoy the feedback from the crowd, and he had that great rapport with them. There is an excellent clip, I think on the Waggy and Chilton DVD or on YouTube, where he talked about having to "take action" against one of the opposition players because they were continually fouling ours. He seemed to look after his players as though they were his own kids, and there was an obvious respect for the man. It's great to see that Andy Davidson is still going strong, and lovely to hear that he has been married for 53 years, which in this day and age, is arguably a greater achievement. I wish Andy and his wife continued good health, and a long and happy life, and I'm just grateful that I saw some of Hull City's all time greats play, of which he was definitely the leader, in that 1965-66 team.”
by adolfo
Monday, September 10 2012, 9:29AM
“6566, I am with you with Chilton and wagstaff...and I am an admirer of chilton's prowess, a great header of the ball, and more gifted on the ground than given credit for. You should try and get his biography, it is full of facts on how he played the best centrehalves, (do you remember Duncan Forbes), it will astonish you as Chillo comes across as a grea thinker of the game, as his years in Africa will no doubt show you (its all in the book!). great memories.”
by tigers6566
Monday, September 10 2012, 8:24AM
“Just want to say that,although 2008 ranks as the greatest year for Hull City for me,1965/66 will stay in my memory forever.My hero was Chris Chilton,Waggy a hairsbreadth behind,and there were other wonderful players like Ian Butler.Jock is sometimes overlooked,but he was the captain who looked after all the others and his contribution was,perhaps,the greatest of them all.I am sure the rest of that team still remember him with admiration.I hope that Jock has many more years to see His Team fulfill what we all want for the greatest colours of them all,amber and black.Upthe Tigers and long live Jock.”
by HCAFCscarb
Sunday, September 09 2012, 9:30PM
“Some of my best times following City came between 1966 and 1973 .
Even better times then when city were in the premier league .
Good crowds , much noise and some decent players .
Being in division one as it was or the premier league isn't everything .
I wish we had stayed at BP and brought it up to standard and I wish we still had standing
In the Kempton .”
by martingoalie
Sunday, September 09 2012, 7:35PM
“Excellent article on Andy davidson - well done H D M. Hello Neil Theasy & well said ! I hope you're well. As the wonderful 'TIGER RAG' boomed out Andy Davidson would walk onto the pitch leading City out then he would sprint and drop-kick the ball into the North Stand goal ! An extra cheer would rise when the net bulged ! He was also a regular penalty kicker - with a good scoring record ; the spot-kick duty was then taken-over by Ken Houghton (who was pretty good an ' all !). The suggestion of a statue of Andy Davidson is a great idea - there can be few players more worthy. He was a fantastic footballer”
by tigerwally
Sunday, September 09 2012, 4:45PM
“It was great to live down Westfield Rd in the 1950/60's where several Tiger players also resided. "Jock" Davidson lived about four days away from us. A great player and a fantastic servant to Hull City. Many years later I was overjoyed to meet a professional footballer, Lex Bailie at a relatives wedding in Scotland. He asked where I was from to which he replied you maybe know my uncle Jock Davidson, what a coincidence and we had a long chat about his career, wonderful stuff.”
More posts from other sites mostly about the Andy "Jock" Davidson Articles:
by HCAFCscarb
Tuesday, September 11 2012, 6:26AM
“Cafe....
you started going same season as me ! having nagged my dad for about 4 years to take me to watch CITY play he finally took me with him, Hull City 4 Mansfield 0. sat in the west stand....Hooked ever since and the only seasons i never made one game was our promotion to the premier league season and the play off final....grrrr and the first season in the premier league....
Davidson was a decent player for sure but as others have said with the likes of waggy, chilton the two butlers, simmo, houghton etc he was often over looked..
that team are still my fav all time Hull City Team...
Hull City V stoke city...fa cup at home.....my fav game ever even though we lost 2-3...
stood on bunkers with my dad and nearly crushed....use to be great how the crowd would surge foward as city went on the attack......stuff like that has gone for ever and i feel sorry for the modern supporters who have only know all seater stadiums.....
BRING BACK STANDING AREAS !!!!”
by ka2011
Tuesday, September 11 2012, 4:41AM
“Oh my God Bigbillybilly, what have you started!!.
The answer, my first game was back in the early fifties, Bentford against Hull City and my dad took me for the simple reason Tommy Lawton was playing for Brentford. The start of my support and resulting in some wonderful memories of years past.
You mention the great quartet of Houghton Waggy, Chilton and Butler. The clue here being they were all strikers playing in the same team, and with a leather ball that felt like kicking half a brick when it got wet.
But my memories go back to the early fifties and players like Tom Berry a defender who (as my dad once muttered) "would stop a f cking train".
One of my personal favourites being Stan Mortenson who had a superb footballing brain and played with a permanent smile on his face. An example of Morty being when Tom Berry took a freekick from his own half, and Morty running across the front of the keeper just as the ball bounced. He lost sight of the ball as a result and it finished in the net.
Other greats I remember playing for the tigers were Neil Franklin, Wilf Mannion, Jackie Sewell,. All former world class internationals who, due to the then maximum wage, extended their careers by dropping down to the then second division. We can add Raich Carter to the list but unfortunately I never saw him play.
Going back to my opening paragraph the major point being football was played with a 2-3 5 formation. Playrs were told to make the ball do the work and keep it simple, and the game was far more entertaining than the computer based nonsense of 4-5-1 played today.But that I suppose is called progress.
Again in relating to Jock Davidson can you imagine the likes of Christiano Ronaldo playing with the old leather ball and taking on Jock?.”
by BigBillyBilly
Tuesday, September 11 2012, 1:57AM
“Crikey,this site is the Silver Surfer's Heaven.At 48 I just can't compete with many posters here.I first saw The Tigers in 1972,and so boys,did I miss the best bit? I suppose that I know I did.Paul Haigh was the first central defender I remember,fairly sure he played for England at age group but not sure which,did he replace Andy Davidson at The Tigers? City in the early 70's were clearly in transition.I'm grateful I saw Waggy and Ken Houghton play,were Chilton and Butler,say,in a class above them? I remember Waggy scoring against Man U in '74 or '75,and he showed a composure that none of our current strikers could replicate,but brilliant players like Waggy seem to do things in their own time,on their own terms,don't they? Some of you boys seem to have had such a fun time being Mods and Rockers and Tigers fanatics that you've wholly neglected striplings like me who were only just out of Hedon Road hospital but dying to get involved.You selfish gits!”
by ka2011
Monday, September 10 2012, 1:16PM
“I had the pleasure of playing against the ex-tigers that included Jock Davidson, Jock McSeveny, Brian Bulless, Denis Durham, Paul Feasey, and the great Billy Bly.
As for being a hard man during his playing career we, a bunch of amateurs, found Jock Davidson actually coaching us as we played. So not just a gentleman but one of the nicest people I have ever met. Good on ya Jock!!!.
Not such a good coach though, we lost 7-1!!!”
by cafesociety1
Monday, September 10 2012, 12:39PM
“Gareth.65-66 was my 1st season.I once was qualified with the FA.I always thought that the next step up for Ashby would show him up.I was wrong.Truly great captain-he did not have wagstaff,chilton,houghton and butler in his team.
If Ashby had been allowed to kick players, as was Jock,I think he would have one!!”
by VoiceNreason
Monday, September 10 2012, 11:19AM
“Andy Jock Davison was a true HARD MAN and would eat up the so called hard men of today. Even Ian Ashbee would be classed as a fairy compared to Andy. Jock played the game when it was played by real men. Glad to have seen him and his like and the game misses such types. Well done Andy and thanks for the memories.”
by merlin
Monday, September 10 2012, 11:11AM
“Tigerwally... As I recall Jock Davidson lived in the Parkway Willerby - as did Dudley Price and Jock McSeveney. Probbaly he lived near you before that.”
posted 08-09-2012 17:46 by geobra
A nice article emphasising football's positive side. Saw him play in a 0-0 draw with Shrewsbury at the Gay Meadow in 1961. Reports at the time described Hull's defence as 'rugged!' Chilton was already playing by then. And Arthur Rowley was still playing for Shrewsbury.
I grew up watching ‘Jock’, an incredible servant for Hull City. I appreciate all that has been said about Ian Ashbee as an inspirational leader and City captain but even this pales into insignificance against the unique influence of Jock. We will never see another City player of his ilk again. Truly THE City legend.
Comment by Chris — September 8, 2012 @ 9:21 am
Thanks for a good read. Just before my time, but it’s good to look back on our collective heritage. Especially for those who have only ever known the KC days.
Comment by Bucks Tiger — September 8, 2012 @ 1:25 pm
Memories, memories…Thanks for the effort/research put in, Matt. Don’t think I saw Jock at his best, but there weren’t too many got past him….more than once anyway!! As mentioned on another site, the comment on the Waggy-Chilo dvd says it all; “One of their players was abusing one of our lads, so I had to take action!”…Nuff said! To Jock and his wife; “Long may your lumb reek!”…(hope that’s right!?)….UTT
Comment by gjhdurham — September 8, 2012 @ 3:27 pm
That team sheet at the bottom. Help me someone. The back row reading from left to right is, I believe, Alan Jarvis, Jock himself, Maurice Swan, (centre half), Dennis butler and Chris Simpkin(s). Front: (Right wing), Ken Wagstaff, Chris Chilton, Ken Houghton and Ian Butler. Can anybody tell me the centre half and the right winger. I can remember Ray Henderson filling that right wing spot, unsung for years but don’t think that’s him, probably after his time.So Please fill in he gaps in my memory and correct any errors made.
UTT
Comment by steve — September 9, 2012 @ 1:00 am
An interesting, informative article. It’s often hard to get a firm grasp of the history of the club before my time, with very little coverage of it in the mainstream media.
Thank you for helping me get to know a club legend.
Comment by Knuckledragger — September 9, 2012 @ 11:46 am
Great article and picture and I tHought that was Terry Heath, Ray Henderson is the only missing player. Presumably the picture was taken when City played Nottingham Forest in the F A Cop on 12 Feb 1966. Terry Heath scored both goals in the 2 0 win. My first match was the 5th round tie against Southport (in front of nearly 39,000).
Did anybody in Hull pay tribute to TH when he died last year? I heard him referred to as a S****horpe, player but no mention of the Tigers.
By the way Sheffield Weds were a First Division club in 65/66.
Cheers
by HCAFCscarb
Tuesday, September 11 2012, 6:26AM
“Cafe....
you started going same season as me ! having nagged my dad for about 4 years to take me to watch CITY play he finally took me with him, Hull City 4 Mansfield 0. sat in the west stand....Hooked ever since and the only seasons i never made one game was our promotion to the premier league season and the play off final....grrrr and the first season in the premier league....
Davidson was a decent player for sure but as others have said with the likes of waggy, chilton the two butlers, simmo, houghton etc he was often over looked..
that team are still my fav all time Hull City Team...
Hull City V stoke city...fa cup at home.....my fav game ever even though we lost 2-3...
stood on bunkers with my dad and nearly crushed....use to be great how the crowd would surge foward as city went on the attack......stuff like that has gone for ever and i feel sorry for the modern supporters who have only know all seater stadiums.....
BRING BACK STANDING AREAS !!!!”
by ka2011
Tuesday, September 11 2012, 4:41AM
“Oh my God Bigbillybilly, what have you started!!.
The answer, my first game was back in the early fifties, Bentford against Hull City and my dad took me for the simple reason Tommy Lawton was playing for Brentford. The start of my support and resulting in some wonderful memories of years past.
You mention the great quartet of Houghton Waggy, Chilton and Butler. The clue here being they were all strikers playing in the same team, and with a leather ball that felt like kicking half a brick when it got wet.
But my memories go back to the early fifties and players like Tom Berry a defender who (as my dad once muttered) "would stop a f cking train".
One of my personal favourites being Stan Mortenson who had a superb footballing brain and played with a permanent smile on his face. An example of Morty being when Tom Berry took a freekick from his own half, and Morty running across the front of the keeper just as the ball bounced. He lost sight of the ball as a result and it finished in the net.
Other greats I remember playing for the tigers were Neil Franklin, Wilf Mannion, Jackie Sewell,. All former world class internationals who, due to the then maximum wage, extended their careers by dropping down to the then second division. We can add Raich Carter to the list but unfortunately I never saw him play.
Going back to my opening paragraph the major point being football was played with a 2-3 5 formation. Playrs were told to make the ball do the work and keep it simple, and the game was far more entertaining than the computer based nonsense of 4-5-1 played today.But that I suppose is called progress.
Again in relating to Jock Davidson can you imagine the likes of Christiano Ronaldo playing with the old leather ball and taking on Jock?.”
by BigBillyBilly
Tuesday, September 11 2012, 1:57AM
“Crikey,this site is the Silver Surfer's Heaven.At 48 I just can't compete with many posters here.I first saw The Tigers in 1972,and so boys,did I miss the best bit? I suppose that I know I did.Paul Haigh was the first central defender I remember,fairly sure he played for England at age group but not sure which,did he replace Andy Davidson at The Tigers? City in the early 70's were clearly in transition.I'm grateful I saw Waggy and Ken Houghton play,were Chilton and Butler,say,in a class above them? I remember Waggy scoring against Man U in '74 or '75,and he showed a composure that none of our current strikers could replicate,but brilliant players like Waggy seem to do things in their own time,on their own terms,don't they? Some of you boys seem to have had such a fun time being Mods and Rockers and Tigers fanatics that you've wholly neglected striplings like me who were only just out of Hedon Road hospital but dying to get involved.You selfish gits!”
by ka2011
Monday, September 10 2012, 1:16PM
“I had the pleasure of playing against the ex-tigers that included Jock Davidson, Jock McSeveny, Brian Bulless, Denis Durham, Paul Feasey, and the great Billy Bly.
As for being a hard man during his playing career we, a bunch of amateurs, found Jock Davidson actually coaching us as we played. So not just a gentleman but one of the nicest people I have ever met. Good on ya Jock!!!.
Not such a good coach though, we lost 7-1!!!”
by cafesociety1
Monday, September 10 2012, 12:39PM
“Gareth.65-66 was my 1st season.I once was qualified with the FA.I always thought that the next step up for Ashby would show him up.I was wrong.Truly great captain-he did not have wagstaff,chilton,houghton and butler in his team.
If Ashby had been allowed to kick players, as was Jock,I think he would have one!!”
by VoiceNreason
Monday, September 10 2012, 11:19AM
“Andy Jock Davison was a true HARD MAN and would eat up the so called hard men of today. Even Ian Ashbee would be classed as a fairy compared to Andy. Jock played the game when it was played by real men. Glad to have seen him and his like and the game misses such types. Well done Andy and thanks for the memories.”
by merlin
Monday, September 10 2012, 11:11AM
“Tigerwally... As I recall Jock Davidson lived in the Parkway Willerby - as did Dudley Price and Jock McSeveney. Probbaly he lived near you before that.”
posted 08-09-2012 17:46 by geobra
A nice article emphasising football's positive side. Saw him play in a 0-0 draw with Shrewsbury at the Gay Meadow in 1961. Reports at the time described Hull's defence as 'rugged!' Chilton was already playing by then. And Arthur Rowley was still playing for Shrewsbury.
I grew up watching ‘Jock’, an incredible servant for Hull City. I appreciate all that has been said about Ian Ashbee as an inspirational leader and City captain but even this pales into insignificance against the unique influence of Jock. We will never see another City player of his ilk again. Truly THE City legend.
Comment by Chris — September 8, 2012 @ 9:21 am
Thanks for a good read. Just before my time, but it’s good to look back on our collective heritage. Especially for those who have only ever known the KC days.
Comment by Bucks Tiger — September 8, 2012 @ 1:25 pm
Memories, memories…Thanks for the effort/research put in, Matt. Don’t think I saw Jock at his best, but there weren’t too many got past him….more than once anyway!! As mentioned on another site, the comment on the Waggy-Chilo dvd says it all; “One of their players was abusing one of our lads, so I had to take action!”…Nuff said! To Jock and his wife; “Long may your lumb reek!”…(hope that’s right!?)….UTT
Comment by gjhdurham — September 8, 2012 @ 3:27 pm
That team sheet at the bottom. Help me someone. The back row reading from left to right is, I believe, Alan Jarvis, Jock himself, Maurice Swan, (centre half), Dennis butler and Chris Simpkin(s). Front: (Right wing), Ken Wagstaff, Chris Chilton, Ken Houghton and Ian Butler. Can anybody tell me the centre half and the right winger. I can remember Ray Henderson filling that right wing spot, unsung for years but don’t think that’s him, probably after his time.So Please fill in he gaps in my memory and correct any errors made.
UTT
Comment by steve — September 9, 2012 @ 1:00 am
An interesting, informative article. It’s often hard to get a firm grasp of the history of the club before my time, with very little coverage of it in the mainstream media.
Thank you for helping me get to know a club legend.
Comment by Knuckledragger — September 9, 2012 @ 11:46 am
Great article and picture and I tHought that was Terry Heath, Ray Henderson is the only missing player. Presumably the picture was taken when City played Nottingham Forest in the F A Cop on 12 Feb 1966. Terry Heath scored both goals in the 2 0 win. My first match was the 5th round tie against Southport (in front of nearly 39,000).
Did anybody in Hull pay tribute to TH when he died last year? I heard him referred to as a S****horpe, player but no mention of the Tigers.
By the way Sheffield Weds were a First Division club in 65/66.
Cheers
WTF...I took this photo...how did it end up here?!
I must be due some sort of royalty payments
Unique looking program...
...with some of Don Robinson's unique style in the program notes.
âDuring the tour we will also be able to check on the exact spot from where we shall be leaving our âLunar Fixtureâ in the near future - of course I refer to the NASA Space Centre at Cape Canaveral and our intention to be one of the first two Teams to play on the moon. We have played Dynamo Kiev from one side of the Earth, we now play Tampa Bay Rowdies from the other - the only other way to now go is âUPâ!! Incidentally the opposition for this Match has yet to be finalised but no matter who they are, it is sure to be âone short pass for Man - but a long free kick for mankind.â
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...with some of Don Robinson's unique style in the program notes.
âDuring the tour we will also be able to check on the exact spot from where we shall be leaving our âLunar Fixtureâ in the near future - of course I refer to the NASA Space Centre at Cape Canaveral and our intention to be one of the first two Teams to play on the moon. We have played Dynamo Kiev from one side of the Earth, we now play Tampa Bay Rowdies from the other - the only other way to now go is âUPâ!! Incidentally the opposition for this Match has yet to be finalised but no matter who they are, it is sure to be âone short pass for Man - but a long free kick for mankind.â
Some personal family history here.. we have supported City since the beginning..
We've been doing some geneology in our family and my mother found a card from 1908 from my Great great uncle to my Great grandfather.. he was a HCAFC supporter and appears he and his wife used to watch City at the old ground opposite the cricket ground. Although this was a brand new stadium at the time. On the card from my Great Uncle (who was a Blades fan - he lived in Sheffield)) he says "Saw Hull City won today, play up Hull!" from the date 16th Jan 1908 I was able to find the exact match on internet archives.. an FA Cup victory over Woolwich Arsenal 4-1.
50 years later, my Great uncle Ernie dies during a match at Boothfery Park.. after City have scored a goal nonetheless.. my nana was a witness.. it was her brother
Strangely enough I attended the famous match in 2008 at the Emirites.. a 2-1 City win.. another 50 years later..
Arsenal keep popping up in our family's football history.. My grandad was a friend of Terry Neill who played for and managed both clubs.. When Mr Neill left City for London they kept in touch and he sent my grandfather tickets for matches at Highbury.
Our 5 generations of supporting City are..
Harvey Armstrong (nephew) born 2003, attended first game vs Portsmouth 2009/10, at KC
Me born 1972, attended first game vs West Ham 1989, at BP
Dad, Peter Neesam 1933-2012, attended first game 1949 at BP
Grandad, Stan Warriner 1909 - 1989
Great Uncle Ernest Newlove 1902 - 1958, died of heart attack at BP
Great Grandad Ernest Newlove 1879 - 1940, he lived on Welbeck Street, Princes Ave, Hull.
We've been doing some geneology in our family and my mother found a card from 1908 from my Great great uncle to my Great grandfather.. he was a HCAFC supporter and appears he and his wife used to watch City at the old ground opposite the cricket ground. Although this was a brand new stadium at the time. On the card from my Great Uncle (who was a Blades fan - he lived in Sheffield)) he says "Saw Hull City won today, play up Hull!" from the date 16th Jan 1908 I was able to find the exact match on internet archives.. an FA Cup victory over Woolwich Arsenal 4-1.
50 years later, my Great uncle Ernie dies during a match at Boothfery Park.. after City have scored a goal nonetheless.. my nana was a witness.. it was her brother
Strangely enough I attended the famous match in 2008 at the Emirites.. a 2-1 City win.. another 50 years later..
Arsenal keep popping up in our family's football history.. My grandad was a friend of Terry Neill who played for and managed both clubs.. When Mr Neill left City for London they kept in touch and he sent my grandfather tickets for matches at Highbury.
Our 5 generations of supporting City are..
Harvey Armstrong (nephew) born 2003, attended first game vs Portsmouth 2009/10, at KC
Me born 1972, attended first game vs West Ham 1989, at BP
Dad, Peter Neesam 1933-2012, attended first game 1949 at BP
Grandad, Stan Warriner 1909 - 1989
Great Uncle Ernest Newlove 1902 - 1958, died of heart attack at BP
Great Grandad Ernest Newlove 1879 - 1940, he lived on Welbeck Street, Princes Ave, Hull.
Hey guys...new to the site. Being from Tampa Bay, I suppose there was no better post to introduce myself.
I'd love to find this program. Rowdies just won the NASL two weeks ago - which really isn't saying much. The team just started back up three years ago but were not permitted to use "Rowdies" in their name until this year.
Ahhh..memories, this was my era. Every week without fail stood behind the goal on bunkers. from 1970-1976 (10yr - 16yr) I think the most memorable games for me were Watney cup Vs Man Utd with Best et al, and although we lost, the atmosphere was unreal.
Another was the Stoke City game, when Gordon Banks was in goal, and although being 2 up we lost 3-2 (I think!) with about a minute to go.
Liverpool where we took a 2-0 lead, came out 2nd half trying to do a Liverpool and got beat in the process..
Sheffield Wednesday where they played us off the park, and we ended up being 4-1 down with about 5 minutes to go, everyone from bunkers decided to leave except the hardened few, and all of a sudden, 4-2, 4-3, 4-4!!! amazing scenes, and noise!..
Im sure more will come into the old grey matter as I read through some of these... I can recall a friendly game but the name escapes me, but I think they were a Russian? team that came, 72?
Had the priviledge of playing against Waggy and McKechnie when they played for Fenners after they had retired, I remember marking him and we had a great tussle, but that story needs to be told as it was quite amusing.
Remember playing against Gareth Roberts when we were both still at school (Hessle (me) and Wolfreton ) Shameful to say but GR had to go home early due to one of my challenges..Funny really, Im lucky enough to have known GR as a personal friend, and I recalled the story to him...we had a good laugh..
Anyway, edit as you see fit, great memories.. Oh and I have a GREAT story about the great escape, Pearson (Adam) and Deano...That was a phone call you just had to hear (I was stood next to AP at the time this happened) but Im not sure whether I could share that one...you would not believe the content..
Welcome & Nice to hear they still exist, shame the NY Red Bulls aren't called the Cosmos.. is it the same club?
No they are not the same club however the Cosmos DO exist. Again. They applied for license a couple of years ago and were supposed to play in the MLS (US' highest league for those that don't know) in a couple of more years. They have the same kits and logo from the 70's . I think they even played Manchester United last year in Paul Scholes' testimonial. (They used players from various nations I think).
Since the MLS is gaining in stature - supposedly, they were not just going to let any team into the league. Even if they were the New York Cosmos. So....to tie this all together - NY Cosmos will be joining the same league as the Rowdies in the NASL. Which was both of their original league in the first place.
Bought Nicholas Turner's NOW TIGERS! The early years of Hull City book for chrimbo.
About a third of the way into it so far. Some excellent old City photographs and stuff about our history that I have not read before.
I find it fascinating how our club was started from some very humble beginings and how much opposition we had from the rugby league clubs, especially Hull FC who's ground (boulevard) we shared for 3 years. They eventually threw us off when it became clear that association football was catching on and a successful Hull City would be a threat to their game.
Some of the antics used against us were unbelievable.
To me it simply backs up a modern day theory that we have an element in Hull and beyond that do not want to see a successful football club in this part of the world.
One simple cartoon from the early 1900's sums it up. One fan clutching sixpence is about to be ambushed by a character holding a club with <city> written across it whilst another on the other side of the path has the same club with <hull fc> written on it. Meaning both clubs are competing for the same limited revenue.
I find the way the local press was sympathetic to football and City as a new club/business in those days very interesting.
I have also witnessed a slight changing of attitudes in todays same local press, over 100 years later, which tells me the modern day club are at last realising the importance of a positive press as their predecessors knew all those years ago.
Example only this morning from a local radio sports bulletin.
Hull City had a disappointing result yesterday and lost ground on leaders Cardiff who increased their lead over the Tigers, according to them.
When they could have quite easily have reported that the Tigers attracted the biggest crowd of the season so far to the KC yesterday to watch a pulsating draw with fellow promotion contenders, Leicester City.
City maintained second, and automatic promotion place in the Championship and stretched their unbeaten run to five games.
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Now Tigers! gives you all the early history you could ever wish for. Sadly much of it has been ignored and forgotten about over the years by the club and certainly the media;
About a third of the way into it so far. Some excellent old City photographs and stuff about our history that I have not read before.
I find it fascinating how our club was started from some very humble beginings and how much opposition we had from the rugby league clubs, especially Hull FC who's ground (boulevard) we shared for 3 years. They eventually threw us off when it became clear that association football was catching on and a successful Hull City would be a threat to their game.
Some of the antics used against us were unbelievable.
To me it simply backs up a modern day theory that we have an element in Hull and beyond that do not want to see a successful football club in this part of the world.
One simple cartoon from the early 1900's sums it up. One fan clutching sixpence is about to be ambushed by a character holding a club with <city> written across it whilst another on the other side of the path has the same club with <hull fc> written on it. Meaning both clubs are competing for the same limited revenue.
I find the way the local press was sympathetic to football and City as a new club/business in those days very interesting.
I have also witnessed a slight changing of attitudes in todays same local press, over 100 years later, which tells me the modern day club are at last realising the importance of a positive press as their predecessors knew all those years ago.
Example only this morning from a local radio sports bulletin.
Hull City had a disappointing result yesterday and lost ground on leaders Cardiff who increased their lead over the Tigers, according to them.
When they could have quite easily have reported that the Tigers attracted the biggest crowd of the season so far to the KC yesterday to watch a pulsating draw with fellow promotion contenders, Leicester City.
City maintained second, and automatic promotion place in the Championship and stretched their unbeaten run to five games.
...
Now Tigers! gives you all the early history you could ever wish for. Sadly much of it has been ignored and forgotten about over the years by the club and certainly the media;
Got Nick Turners Now Tigers! book for Xmas. Third of the way though already. Fasinating stuff.
Evidence of exactly what many of us suspected. Rugby League, mainly FC fought us tooth and nail in the early years.
Has much changed ?
A successful football club in this city is not the wish of everyone.
Also a sympathetic press helped the club and promote football at the birth.
Has much changed?
Only today not all the media is sympathetic towards our cause.
Evidence of exactly what many of us suspected. Rugby League, mainly FC fought us tooth and nail in the early years.
Has much changed ?
A successful football club in this city is not the wish of everyone.
Also a sympathetic press helped the club and promote football at the birth.
Has much changed?
Only today not all the media is sympathetic towards our cause.
Here's a good article about the book from The YP C/O Stan.
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...-tribute-to-tigers-founding-fathers-1-5254938
I remember my brother mentioning something about this game, but I never paid attention really. I just looked up Tampa Bay Rowdies and they most recently played an English Side in Bolton Wanderers in 2011 and beat them 1-0.
Bolton should have taken that as a sign of things to come!
if it wasnt for villa going down to division 3 a few years ago we would have that attendance record as well. dont know if you knew this hull are the only football league team to score 10 or more goals in a league game 4 times
I just looked up Tampa Bay Rowdies and they most recently played an English Side in Bolton Wanderers in 2011 and beat them 1-0.
Bolton should have taken that as a sign of things to come!
I was at this match. Bolton still looked the better side but it was nice to see my first English team!
All them clippings were in a folder that I bought from the Hull City programme in 1987 for £2.50 (apart from the autograph book pics)