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Thomas Tuchel

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by TopCat., Oct 15, 2024.

  1. LD19SAFC

    LD19SAFC Well-Known Member

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    <laugh> Ridiculous
     
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    :emoticon-0140-rofl:
     
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    the same guy who wrote a piece earlier in the week saying they should appoint Pep

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    It's Coming fkn Home
     
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    Journalism is dead.
     
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    It’s all clickbait
     
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    Exactly. ****e
     
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    Exactly. The industry is dead.
     
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    Never liked the personality he portrayed while at Chelsea, but his results were pretty good. It’s sad that English managers are just not good enough! Howe, Potter and Carsley wouldn’t have filled me with optimism and excitement. Hope he does well.
    The fact that Farage is angry about it makes it all the better. <laugh>
     
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    Looks like Tony Pulis sinister cousin
     
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    18 mths. World Cup and gone. Suits both parties. Win or lose he goes. Give the English coach they want at the FA time to become available, and him time to find an itch to scratch.
     
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    Anthony Barry is his assistant, think he could step into the main role in 2 years time?
     
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    He's had fanboys building him up for years, way before he turned up at the mags. Not to be disrespectful to him, but he's achieved **** all in a fairly long career (16 years). I think it's been a combination of him starting out so young (30 or so) at Bournemouth where, to be fair they played nice football. And being a bit "inoffensive" when he's in the media. But he was heavily backed by the Bournemouth owner at the time, Maxim Demin, so it wasn't as if it was all down to his brilliant coaching. And he never really got linked to other bigger jobs much when he was at Bournemouth. But the fanboys won't have anything said against him, even when he makes mistakes or is wrong.
     
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    I have read some absolute tripe in the press today about this being a kick in the guts for English managers and how England need to bring through from u19 to u21 to first team. Gary Neville the usual gobshite as well.

    Dear Gary, you are an utter hypocrite. We had Southgate doing exactly what he advocates. The same Southgate who he slammed for his failure to win tournaments or for his style of play. Dear Gary, maybe English coaches think you are a loudmouth idiot and would rather not have to lower themselves to your base level knowledge of the international game. Must be your coaching record in Spain that gives you such confidence to explain to proper coaches how to go about their jobs.

    Anyway rant about that idiot over. The debate about whether we should appoint English really interests me. I am firmly in the it should be camp. That said, it is not a rule. In this instance we have appointed a coach better than any current English coach imo. For 18 months. I have a strong opinion they went for Howe but it was too difficult to get him out of his contract. Carsley isnt the fit they want for the world cup in the USA so Tuchel and England fit for the short term. Howe will follow in 18 months in my opinion.

    The narrative about English coaches being sub standard isnt accurate imo. Tuchel himself brings his trusted assistant with him who is English. I think we have a lot of very exciting young coaches like Barry, but a gap in the age group where we may have looked. Howe and Potter are the two candidates and I could see why neither would be up for this right now.

    For what it is worth I can see a raft of young coaches getting big chances in the short term. McKenna is the obvious one. Potter will come again. Carrick has a lot of admirers in the game and I can entirely see why. Gary ONeill, if he can bounce back, has a hell of a lot going for him. Howe himself is only 45, still very young for a top end coach. Then we have some just carving themselves a place. Chris Davies at Birmingham has a very good reputation. Anthony Barry himself. Rob Edwards still has credit in the bank. And I am going to stick with my faith in Russell Martin, I have complete faith in him as a coach. It might take some of these 10 years to be ready to take the England job. Tuchel is 51. But there is no reason at all why some of them dont follow his trajectory from under age football and assistant gigs to being elite level. Fundamentally the training pathway is the same across Europe. They have to follow the same qualification route. Time will tell, but I dont see English coaching as being in the doldrums at all.
     
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    See my later ramble mate.

    Why not Barry. I rate Tuchel in the top 3 coaches in Europe and he rates Barry. I wont argue with him.

    My opinion is Howe is the English manager in waiting. I think he isnt far off being ready for it. He is learning fast at Newcastle in my opinion. Ups and downs. But has champions league experience which I am quite sure the FA are looking at in terms of that jeopardy based football. Maybe Barry drops into the u21 role and succeeds Howe. I like the idea of the transition that Southgate made, it worked brilliantly in reality and should again tbh.
     
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    I hope Tuchel smashes it. Why not, as it means England will have excelled? I'm much more bothered that he is a talented coach than what country he is from.

    In regard to the British media, the negative and hatemongers amongst them can do one. I absolutely wish they would but they have free rein and no responsibility. Which other occupation can do as they do without any comeback? Just stir and whip up a frenzy then sit back and admire what unfolds. I would be delighted if some bright sparks and entrepreneurs could work out a way to break their power.
     
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    The problem with English managers isn't the credentials or abilities, it's the lack of opportunities at the very top. It has become difficult for good managers to progress right through to the top clubs and then you have weird anomalies like Lampard jumping the queue due to his playing career which damages the reputation of other English managers. Things are further hindered by our willingness to bring in foreign coaches and players, in comparison to other countries.

    Anyway, I'm very happy with Tuchel, hopefully he instills a little Germanic steel into the mentality of the players and allows our attacking players to blitzkrieg the opposition and Kane can be our panzer, puncturing our adversaries net often.

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    They're both shoddy. I see neither as better than the other.
     
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