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Why would you believe a public statement from somebody, when the substance of that statement is clearly of benefit to them, when somebody close to them has said that they privately admit the opposite, Piskie?
If Arsenal were to agree a fee with Barca, do you think that the player would turn down the move?

I'd remove the quote from your sig, by the way, as it's accurate.
Even if Modric were to sign for Chelsea, he'd never play in Chelsea, as Stamford Bridge isn't in Chelsea.
 
As for Fabregas, it's not news that he wants to go to Barca one day. But his immediate future is with Arsenal. (1) because he has said that he is happy at Arsenal. (2) because he has said that he wants to win trophies with Arsenal. (3) because he said that any decision on his future lies with the manager and Wenger has repeatedly said that he will not sell him. (4) because Barca cannot afford our valuation of him.

That said, you are right in saying that I'm not naive enough to realistically believe that if Arsenal were to agree a fee with Barca, then the player would turn down that move.

But as Fabregas has said,
I am very happy where I am. Anything else would be speculation that is untrue
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So until either Arsenal agree to sell, or the player hands in a transfer request, then it is academic.

I'd remove the quote from your sig, by the way, as it's accurate.
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It would be accurate if it wasn't for it being in the context of Modric saying that he wanted 'to go to Chelsea' to play for Chelsea FC, not to go to the Flower show. <laugh><ok>
 
I can't say that I agree with you there, SNIOM.
Not only would we be weakening our team by selling Modric, but we'd be strengthening a rival and sending out the wrong message to other teams, our own players and prospective targets.
We may only be losing one very good player, but we'd risk losing others, missing out on attracting players of a similar calibre and risk making other rivals stronger, too.

I'm sorry Piskie, but a player saying something doesn't mean that it's true.
People have agendas and it's clearly in Fabregas' interests to keep Arsenal fans on side at the moment, in case his apparently desired transfer doesn't come through, again.
You're not applying the same logic to each case.

The quote in you sig is accurate, because Chelsea's stadium isn't in Chelsea.
There is no football ground there.
 
SamirNasriIsOurMessi said:
I personally think you're over thinking this Modric issue quite a lot.
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I'm not.
We've been here before with Carrick, Sheringham, Berbatov and probably players that I can't even remember.

We could replace Modric just by playing van der Vaart in a deeper role alongside Sandro, bringing in either some new strikers or someone to play the role that van der Vaart currently fills, in my opinion.
Kranjcar could do it and he'd probably stay then, too.

Selling him does more than simply remove one player from our squad, though.
 
Piskie, I don't agree about newspapers not being able to make up quotes because of a certain code of conduct or whatever.
Van Persie had purportedly told Barcelona and Chelsea players to **** off in a Dutch interview, as reported in a newspaper.
There were ''direct'' quotes from van Persie in the report, too, and he'd apparently said that the players should ''shut the **** up and focus on football''
A few days later, van Persie denied these allegations and was baffled as he didn't know where these misled words had come from.
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I remember this story. If a paper carries a direct quote, then they need to be able to demonstrate that it was actually a 'word for word account of what was actually said'. There is a clear code of ethics for journalists to adhere to this rule. The code is voluntarily subscribed to by the press in the UK, as they and the Government eschew the 'self regulating' rule. But a journalist's (and therefore the paper that they write for) reputation is built on their ability to back up what they report and direct quotes are the epitome of accurate reporting.

RVP's 'shut the **** up quote' was rebuffed by RVP, therefore, honestly or not, he challenged it's accuracy and thereby challenged the reputation of the journalist reporting it.

Modric on the other hand, made a long statement about wanting to go to Chelsea (not the flower show <laugh>), giving reasons why, explaining what Spurs were not able to offer (champions league football), wanting to leave Spurs 'as friends' and how he felt that a move to Chelsea would be good for his career. At no point since has he claimed that these were not his words. So therefore, unless he does, it represents an accurate statement of what he actually said.

Given that Redknapp has responded to this statement with his own opinion on it
'I suppose he's seen a massive contract and the chance to win the Premier League and play in the Champions League and that's what he wanted.
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it would also suggest that Modric actually said what he did. If not then surely Redknapp would have dismissed it as false?

Of course, Modric may come out and make a u-turn, by issuing another statement saying that he no longer wants to play for Chelsea, as has been suggested he might, but if and until he does, it seems that his intention is to want to play for a bigger club who can offer him Champions League football.

Of course, I might be wrong and he actually said that he 'would like to go to Chelsea' so that he could buy a new hat on the King's Rd, or to get Alan Titchmarch's autograph at the Chelsea flower show.......<laugh> But that would just be ludicrous to believe that <ok>
 
Ensiluokkainen said:
Sweet that a known gooner wum is aligning himself to Chelsea - then again the 2 clubs have so much in common as neither player in the area after which they are named and neither have won more European Trophies than Spurs.

Fulham's Other FC and the team from Kent - both in Spurs' European shadow ....
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Except that it's not wumming and I'm not aligning myself to any other club. <ok>

Perhaps if you had the insight to look beyond your assumptions and prejudices about my initial comment, instead of lazily labelling it as wumming, you would have realised that my assertion that Modric himself should expect to shoulder some of the responsibility for the current media frenzy about his potential transfer is actually completely relevant and valid.

However, you instead chose to draw yourself into a debate that ended with you suggesting that Modric 'would like to go' to Chelsea because he may have only wanted to go to the Flower Show <laugh>

Fans of Hotspur's second club are often accused of delusion, sometimes harshly in my opinion. But your comments simply give extra weight to that assertion and do nothing for reasonable debate on this board. <doh>
 
Can you really not see how you're backing up my point, SNOIM?
If your best players leave, then the money is irrelevant.

You have to replace less able players in the squad and then you also have to replace your best, all from a diminished pool that your rivals will also be dipping into.
You also have to convince any new signings that you're ambitious, as they've just seen your best player leave.

How would you suggest that we build up a sufficient group of replacements for our best players, if all of them get poached as soon as they've proved their worth?
It's a ridiculous suggestion.

I wouldn't talk too much about delusions after your bizarre claims for Fabregas, Piskie.
 
I'm happy with Levy and Harrys stance through this, I know we've heard it before, but imo it was abit halfhearted. This time it feels different, I've never seen our club website respond so quickly with a statement of intent!

Goons, listen up, the only players leaving THFC are the ones we want to leave. A new concept for you...and us!, but thats the way it is. Also be aware that English reporters are very good at exploiting the language barrier in interviews with foriegn players, taking misquoting and changing context to another level. You carry on believing it!
 
Ensil I want to - I want to do something no matter what the circumstances or implications.
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Wrong.

The definition of 'want' is:

a. To desire greatly; wish for.
b. To desire (someone or something)
c. To request the presence or assistance of.
d. To seek with intent to capture.
e. To have an inclination toward.

There is no condition that it is dependant on - 'no matter what the circumstances or implications'.


EnsilI would like to - I would like to however it might not be the correct thing to do, or possible, based upon current circumstances, or until all the implications have been taken into account.
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Wrong again.

The definition of 'Would like to' is:

1. Used to express desire or intent.
2. Used to express a wish.
3. Used after a statement of desire.
4. Used to make a polite request.
5. Used in the main clause of a conditional statement to express a possibility or likelihood.
6. Used to express presumption or expectation.

There is no condition that it is 'based upon current circumstances, or until all the implications have been taken into account'

You have either invented those conditions in an (failed) attempt to suit your own argument. Or it is you that needs to acquire a better grasp of the English language.



You'll notice that the words 'desire' and 'wish' are congruent with both meanings.

So given that 'want' and 'would like' have simultaneous meaning, would you agree that it is Modric's desire and wish to join Chelsea FC, given that his statement 'I would like to go to chelsea' was in the context of him talking about the football club, not the flower show? <laugh>
 
Good song <ok>

He may play in Fulham for Chelsea FC though.

So tell me, what do you think Modric meant when he said 'I want to go to Chelsea'?

Do you think he was talking about the football club, or the flower show? <laugh>
 
A dull response, albeit somewhat predictable.

So tell me, what do you think Modric meant when he said - 'I would like to go to Chelsea' ?
 
Ensiluokkainen said:
Talking of looking a fool might I remind you that this is the Spurs board and that you're a gooner, more importantly you're supposed, as a 'moderator <guffawsmiley>, supposed to lead by example <doh>
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Honestly, it doesn't matter which board it is, this is a complete load of ****e.

As for example I generally lead with a decent mix of banter and debate, rather than utter piss water like this fred.
 
I would doubt the Mail, but I have met Henry Winter several times and he does have an edge when it comes to football journalism<ok>
 
Colonel Gaddafi said:
Ah

So you know Modric and have proof that he did the EXCLUSIVE interviews with those honest newspapers the Mail and Telegraph?
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Denial &#8212; "I feel fine."; "This can't be happening, not to me."

Anger &#8212; "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; '"Who is to blame?"

Bargaining &#8212; "Just let me live to see my children graduate."; "I'll do anything for a few more years."; "I will give my life savings if..."

Depression &#8212; "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die... What's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?"

Acceptance &#8212; "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."
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I'm guessing you're at the denial stage at the moment, you'll soon reach the acceptance stage <ok>
 
Raaaul if you choose to ignore logic and believe two newspapers can somehow have EXCLUSIVE interviews with the same player in which they say the same thing at the exact same time that is up to you but most of us live in the real world where the media hate Tottenham and love Chelsea/Man Utd
 
Colonel Gaddafi said:
Raaaul if you choose to ignore logic and believe two newspapers can somehow have EXCLUSIVE interviews with the same player in which they say the same thing at the exact same time that is up to you but most of us live in the real world where the media hate Tottenham and love Chelsea/Man Utd
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I've only seen the Mail claiming it as an exclusive tbh, I'd like to see which other newspaper claims to have an exclusive with Luka Modric?
 
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