The way forward for THFC ??
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If true, it would IMHO indicate a schism within ENIC that
I have long stated may exist. Specifically that Levy
has much more of a Scholar sentiment to Spurs
while Uncle Joe has much more of a Sugar sentiment
Yes imo
plays the football the fans crave so we can’t have that excuse anymore
The poor guys tactics and team selections will be dissected when it goes wrong and some fans will blame that for Eric Dier being **** but for the rest it will complete a full circle of appointments by clueless Levy so I’ll be interested to know what direction the fans want to take next.
no
ultimately it’s about trophies but from what I know of Nagelsmann…he plays the pretty stuff so that ticks that box for some also.
There is some wisdom in this but I do think it is much, much harder to find that sought-after person/people with 'experience and expertise' than we think it is, largely because the 'business' of football is so wildly detached from the normal models of economics, quite literally existing in its own version of reality, like some sort of parallel universe where it is normal to get paid half a million a week for kicking a ball around.
Perhaps Blackburn are a good example of this. On paper, VH Group (Venky's) takover from the Trust left behind by Jack Walker was a good idea. The new owners oversaw a portfolio of 28 companies across the globe, compared to Walker who made his fortune focusing on just the steel industry. Arguably, the new owners possessed greater business experience and expertise, and yet their tenure at Rovers has largely been an unmitigated disaster. I read recently that the club posted its first profit in 10 years in December, which is catastrophically bad.
Is that because the people at Venky's are morons? Well, the fact that they built a portfolio with a turnover of close to £1bn per year suggests otherwise. It is more likely that the entered a world that is technically a business but at the same time is very much its own universe with its own laws of physics, and they shat the bed as a result.
Exactly right. I've asked many times on here for a list of plausible owners or chairmen with evidence of their success in improving a football club and the answer so far is exactly none.
Just because people want Levy/ENIC replaced doesn’t mean they have a list of owners they want
That doesn’t come as a necessity or a condition for wanting a change…we know change is required…we can have that conversation when/if that becomes a realistic possibility
You’re still paranoid about Alan Sugar so I expect you and others will have a list compiled of the worst possible candidates though.
If ENIC sold up to idiots that would be down to ENIC too and there would be no qualms in adding that to ENICS list of disasters
especially not from me
Once again this is a method used by Levy apologists as if not having a list justifies ENICS decision making
I think FSG have done a fantastic job at Liverpool, overseeing one of the club's most successful and fruitful periods without resorting to the financial doping of City or Chelsea. Someone like Jim Ratcliffe could also be a potential 'upgrade' as an owner, the type who follows football closely and would likely respect the traditions of the club (e.g. not attempt to change the colour of our shirt like the Cardiff owner did). Miguel Marin Gil has also done a very good job at Atletico, including navigating the move to their new stadium and delivering major trophies in a league where Barca and Real's financial dominance is ridiculous.
There are certainly people out there but of course, when you're talking about a deal worth many billions of pounds and involving such a complex web of interests (the central one of which doesn't conform to the normal rules of reality), the list logically isn't going to be very long.
If ENICs decision making was actually below average then the list would include the owners of more than half the other clubs in the world.
I am not any sort of apologist. The data tells me that ENIC have improved Spurs more than most owners have improved their clubs.
Tend to agree with this. ENIC have done many great things for our club. BUT the lack of trophies is their black hole
It's hard to give a credible answer to this because there are too many moving parts. You could get bad business people running the club that randomly select a manager who ends up performing well, thus creating the conditions for bringing in more money, attracting better players etc, which ends up with people thinking they are good owners. You could also get good owners doing their best due diligence on managers, but end up getting one or more that don't perform, and consequently losing money and players, so that the owners appear to be doing badly. I'm honestly not saying which one has happened to Spurs, just saying that the causal relationship between good / bad owners and good / bad team is not as obvious as it seems, and it's almost impossible to assess.
Completely agree. But I don't think this is down to bad management.
The problem is that the best measure of the strength of the team is league position whereas trophies are the real goal. It would be crazy if making the team better (as measured by league position) didn't increase the chances of winning trophies but it doesn't guarantee that any will actually be won.
Even with our new found financial strength of being about the joint 4th most wealthy club I can't see that the chance of us winning a domestic trophy is more than 10% and probably lower for the Champions league. For most of ENIC's reign it was much lower than that. So that means we are still more than twice as likely to not win a trophy than win one in any season even now.
It’s almost impossible to answer this question though and I’ve actually responded to it multiple times in the past. Just about every owner in football barring a very select few are first time owners of their football clubs so you can’t compile a list of which owners you’d want to take charge of Spurs because whenever ENIC do sell up it’ll be to someone who almost certainly won’t have owned a football club before, at best they may have owned another sports club, like how Jahm Najafi was linked with us a month or two back and he owns the Phoenix Suns in NBA.
The question to ask I’d say is:
Are you someone who’d like to take the risk on a new owner, knowing full well you have no idea if they’ll be better, worse or similar to ENIC?
I reckon half (possibly even more at this moment in time) of the fanbase would likely say yes now. A few years back it would’ve been no.