The Run In, Relegation Edition

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Dell1964 said:
Not poor management at all.
The facts of football tranfers are exactly the same as in any business transaction. Predominately, a trade is only possible if the "buyer" and the "seller mutully come to an agreement.
During my career I've negotiated several mult-million pound deals and, believe me, these can (and do) take many months of negotiating. And, yes, they are not always successful; despite the hard work put into them.
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He failed in his duty to the club, manager and supporters badly in January IMO.
 
Dell1964 said:
Ta........
Some food for thought though ~ can I suggest that, for whatever reason, having had TWELVE MANAGERS in the last eight years is of most concern.
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Ummm no we haven't? Since 2010 we have had Pardew/Adkins/Poch/Koeman/Puel/Pellegrino. Which is 6, 2 of whom left for reasons beyond our control.
 
Saintmagic said:
Ummm no we haven't? Since 2010 we have had Pardew/Adkins/Poch/Koeman/Puel/Pellegrino. Which is 6, 2 of whom left for reasons beyond our control.
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Still only 7 if you count Dean Wilkins, between Pardew and Adkins.

If you go back a bit further, we have had 10 in 10 years, including Wilkins, and before administration Pearson, Poortvliet, and Wotte.
 
The only thing I think he may have meant is last 8 PL seasons but I can’t be bothered checking that to see if it is 12
 
Dell1964 said:
Watford away just for starters! Those two (robbed!) points alone, would have Saints further up the table....... or hadn't you noticed?
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And the Man City winner scored in the 6th minute of 5 minutes added on time.
(Yes I know it is minimum of, etc, but did anything happen in the previous five minutes that necessitated continuing for longer, other than City having the ball and were near our penalty area?)
Three points, lost from 2 games, that would have seen us in 13th place.
 
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Saintmagic said:
Ummm no we haven't? Since 2010 we have had Pardew/Adkins/Poch/Koeman/Puel/Pellegrino. Which is 6, 2 of whom left for reasons beyond our control.
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Typo, should have said the last eight seasons! Seven managers since the new ownership arrived tells it' own tale.
A revolving door, for team managers, ain't great for stabilty; which ever way you put it. You missed off Dean Wilkins....... the spell between Pards & Nige
 
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Saints_Alive said:
Hiring an inexperienced manager with only one season in Europe (at a small club in Spain) and none in England was a massive gamble and ultimately a mistake IMO.
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Did Saints not do that same thing previously when they gambled on an unemployed Argentinian be? Pochettino.
 
Saintmagic said:
The only thing I think he may have meant is last 8 PL seasons but I can’t be bothered checking that to see if it is 12
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Cheers "magic" was having a 'memory loss moment' indeed the Revolving Door at St. Marys pre-dates the fall into administration and subsequent change of ownership. The average tenure of a team manager for Saints in the last decade and more has been very very short-lived.
 
i dont think there is anyone actually in charge of the club at the moment
the owner is silent and the current board cant do anything now without the owner
so nothing happens and on we plod
 
Dell1964 said:
What exactly would you have done then?
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Do my job, like Les should have, he is head of football at the club and handles all of the transfer negotiations.
We are always being told, not least by Reed, that the club at any given time have several potential targets for any position or manager that have been painstakingly researched by our reknowned black box scouting system for several months. It just doesn't wash that we only had two targets for the speedy forward that Pellegrino wanted lined up. It all smacks of the the Board trying to do things on the cheap to me.
 
There's a huge difference between having targets and securing a deal. Firstly, the parent club MUST be prepared to part with that player; secondly, that player must e prepared to join the Saints and, crucially all parties must agree the deal.
Fact is, saying and doing are completely different beasts.
 
Dell1964 said:
Did Saints not do that same thing previously when they gambled on an unemployed Argentinian be? Pochettino.
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Yes, but it was way less of a gamble than Pellegrino is.
Pochettino had served 4 years at Espanyol and had already gained a good reputation for his high pressing style and as a student of Bielsa within the football world.
He left Espanyol by mutual consent after becoming disillusioned by the financial restrictions placed on him by the club.
He was very much a Cortese appointment with Reed not really involved. Pellegrino's appointment just seems to be like Reed's attempt to be clever and find the next Pochettino, but they are entirely different styles of manager in truth.
 
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jonny shuttle said:
shane long is a speedy forward
how much did they spend on him again? He'll get you 1 goal a season (if you're lucky)
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Err, so his 10 x goals helping Saints finish 6th and, as a consequence, qualify for the Europa League were valueless in your opinion.
 
Dell1964 said:
There's a huge difference between having targets and securing a deal. Firstly, the parent club MUST be prepared to part with that player; secondly, that player must e prepared to join the Saints and, crucially all parties must agree the deal.
Fact is, saying and doing are completely different beasts.
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Reed only negotiated with two players for that role.....
 
I think there's one guy who seems to escape a lot of criticism ... that of Ross Wilson, who is a hugely influential player in the backroom at St. Marys, and who (though I may be wrong) is in Reed's old role ...
 
Saints_Alive said:
Yes, but it was way less of a gamble than Pellegrino is.
Pochettino had served 4 years at Espanyol and had already gained a good reputation for his high pressing style and as a student of Bielsa within the football world.
He left Espanyol by mutual consent after becoming disillusioned by the finacial restrictions placed on him by the club.
He was very much a Cortese appointment with Reed not really involved. Pellegrino's appointment just seems to be like Reed's attempt to be clever and find the next Pochettiono, but they are entirely different styles of manager in truth.
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Agree to disagree on that one.
Every manager when taken to a club is a gamble..... Koeman / Everton; De Boer / Palace; Redknapp / anyone :emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
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