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The Run In, Relegation Edition

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by Schad, Feb 1, 2018.

  1. Saints_Alive

    Saints_Alive Well-Known Member

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    That's exactly why the 3 points for a win system was introduced here, to encourage enterprising, attacking (and enjoyable) football.
     
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  2. Saints_Alive

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    Hiring an inexperienced manager with only one season in Europe (at a small club in Spain) and none in England was a massive gamble and ultimately a mistake IMO.
     
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  3. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    Getting rid of Puel was a huge mistake, with the benefit of hindsight I wonder how much Les regrets that?
     
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  4. Saints_Alive

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    I was going to mention Puel, but I get slated for doing so!...:grin:
     
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  5. Le Tissier's Laces

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    Please expand on that. How do you think he’s done in any way well?
     
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  6. SaintJabie

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    Our problem is Pellegrino. This team has the capability to come 9th-12th, but not with MoPo2 in charge. When you see a mistake in a match, you're annoyed and you might blame the player, when you keep seeing the same mistakes in different matches, you've got to ask why the manager hasn't tried to address the problem.

    Best outcome for us is to stay up (by the skin of our teeth), sack Pellegrino and grab Wenger when Arsenal sack him.
     
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  7. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    Goodness me, that’s a new direction. I’m going to have to think about that one. Of all the options the board will have in the summer, employing a 68 year old manager who ran out of ideas 5 years ago probably isn’t the one they’ll go for.
     
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  8. Libby

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    Newcastle went down two years after finishing 5th.
     
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  9. Libby

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    It stems from summer 2016 imo. That summer was the biggest opportunity we had to really push the club on in the modern era imo, instead we sat on our laurels thinking we'd cracked it.

    As much as I thought he did wwll considering and deserved more time I'm not convinced that Puel was the right appointment that summer either.
     
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  10. Dell1964

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    Yep, though many posters' (fans) still are happy that the guy who got the team to our first major cup final (and 8th) was indeed sacked.
    Personally, I thought he should have been given his 2nd season with an agreed review date of, say, November / December, if he/the team were still under-performing.
    CP would have also had the benefit of a full pre-season AND a full (summer) tranfer window to re-shape the squad.
     
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  11. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    We can definitely agree on that then! <ok>
     
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  12. Libby

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    What about failing to address our needs in about 4 consecutive windows?
     
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  13. Libby

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    To add to this as much as I hate the ambition soundbite it really applies to that summer for me.
     
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  14. Saints_Alive

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    This last window was the worst and most blatent IMO, we had the funds, the manager asked for a speedy forward and we were a bit short of experienced cover at CB. There is really no excuse for not bringing those players in.

    Plus we are staring at losing our PL status which would be astoundingly bad for business.
     
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  15. Dell1964

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    He employed a guy who took us to a MAJOR CUP FINAL for the first time in years. He got 'top dollar' for the unsettled / disruptive elements of Fonte & VvD; inc. Mane fee for a player to openly stated he wanted to leave - felt club 'hung him out to dry' in his spats with Koeman.
    Hindsight is a two-way street. Are we now going to blame the man for the fact that a number of players (who were here 3 or more season ago) can't hit 25th proverbial (effing) barn door?
    Nobody criticised the signings of Boufal, Hoedt, Lemina........ but it seems that our chronic inability for players to hit the target and defenders to 'go walk about' rather than defend & mark the men is now the fault of a club director.
     
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  16. Saints_Alive

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    How do you explain him failing the spend the VVD money, which was extra money not budgeted at the start of the season, on players that the manager wanted in the transfer window, when it is clear that the squad is lacking this season and we are in real peril on going down?

    All that VVD money they saved (what are they saving it for?) will be a drop in the ocean to the revenue the club loses if we are relegated, it's very poor business management.
     
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  17. Dell1964

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    Ta........
    Some food for thought though ~ can I suggest that, for whatever reason, having had TWELVE MANAGERS in the last eight years is of most concern.
     
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  18. Saints_Alive

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    And then sacked him!...<laugh>
     
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  19. Dell1964

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    Not poor management at all.
    The facts of football tranfers are exactly the same as in any business transaction. Predominately, a trade is only possible if the "buyer" and the "seller mutully come to an agreement.
    During my career I've negotiated several mult-million pound deals and, believe me, these can (and do) take many months of negotiating. And, yes, they are not always successful; despite the hard work put into them.
     
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  20. Saints_Alive

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    I've been one of Les Reed's biggest cheerleaders over the past few years, but something has gone haywire and it's tough to fathom it...his running of the football side of the club recently doesn't make any sense to me.
     
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