The downside with Sturgeon is the hypocrisy. She spent all of the election campaign saying how she was going to do whatever it took to "lock the Tories out", and now accuses them of running a dirty campaign for saying it was either them or the SNP/Labour alliance. Utterly hypocritical, and therefore she has no credibility.
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Russell Brand wanted to make an impact to boost his already massive ego, he certainly did that by giving Miliband the kiss of death with his approval.
The bottom line really was could you see Miliband as Prime Minister? The answer for far too many was no. Labour need to take a long hard look at themselves, the grip of the unions has become an albatross round their necks. Unless they elect a leader who has some gravitas and can look the part they'll be a long time in the wilderness.
With a majority the Tories will now ratify the Boundary Commission changes that will strengthen their majority and make a Labour revival even harder. I fear there is no prospect of Proportional Representation now or the foreseeable future...
The bottom line really was could you see Miliband as Prime Minister? The answer for far too many was no. Labour need to take a long hard look at themselves, the grip of the unions has become an albatross round their necks. Unless they elect a leader who has some gravitas and can look the part they'll be a long time in the wilderness.
With a majority the Tories will now ratify the Boundary Commission changes that will strengthen their majority and make a Labour revival even harder. I fear there is no prospect of Proportional Representation now or the foreseeable future...
She's the First Minister of Scotland, she has a country to govern and a party to lead. Why would she want to go to Westminster? Only people like Boris think they can be mayor of London and a good MP. Presumably he won't get a cabinet post until his mayoring is over. Sturgeon did well to keep Salmond off the screens for the last few weeks, now he's back with a vengeance, a totally unscrupulous chancer, but a very good debater.
Nick Robinson (Tory by the way) was bizarrely fulsome in his assessment of Balls - wonderful family man, piano player, top rate economist (I think the evidence counts against the last one) and reckons he'll be a well respected and liked figure once the public see another side of him. Like Portillo. Personally I think he'll be managing his wife's leadership campaign through gritted teeth and will look for the first safe by election seat he can find. Glad he's gone, even glader that Cable bit the dust, the smug waste of space.
She's hypocrite to you, but 50% of the Scots who voted went for the SNP, a figure the other parties can only dream about. Her success is only due to the complete failure of any of the 'British' parties to persuade the Scots that they were interested in them, especially post referendum. They have no one to bame but themselves, they gifted her credibility. I doubt she cares that much what Tory voters think of her anyway, her party now has a chance to play its anti austerity purity card at Westminster without actually having an impact, just waiting for the EU Referendum which I reckon will give her an excellent chance to go for independence again.
It cant be right can it? There has to be a better way than this.
Absolutely superb thread that need revisiting a few times over the coming years - well done to all that contributed, with special mention to Swords and Chaz supremely refereed by our very own best political expert Stanio.
I've been trying to find out who the 8 Lib Dem MP's are. Must be a bunch of nonentities, because all the LD names seem to have lost their seat. Yet one of them will have to be leader, and will then be bossed about by the grandees, Ming, Paddy, Shirley and now Clegg
She attacks the Tories for doing basically what she had been doing for the past five weeks. What else would you call that behaviour, if not hypocrisy?
err, normal for this campaign. Cameron has spent the last 5 week scaremongering, now he'll try and find a way to work with her, probably by giving her complete financial autonomy in Scotland so he can get on with austerity in England. Hypocrisy for a leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party, but politically expedient. You yourself said way back in this thread that morality has nothing to do with politics.
Enjoy your victory Chaz, but more importantly lets hope the consequences are decent for everybody, including the Scots.
The Scots will be fine. They've done very well from the English tax payers over the years.
At the time of the referendum I was in favour of Scotland staying in the Union, but I'd be quite happy to see them go now.
Maybe England could get a vote for Independence?
I'm honestly surprised that you have changed your mind on something that seemed so fundamental so quickly. At the time of the referendum the Union was a matter of principle for you, now it isn't? Three centuries of Union to be forgotten? No more Scots guards or Highlanders in the (no longer) British Army? Plus they said in a referendum that they wanted to stay.........You should be a politician Col.......
I think now that there is a very high chance that we will leave the EU, which I know you will be happy with.
I went on record (in the Swindon Advertiser, a weighty tome) 20+ years ago saying that we shouldn't join the EU, I hope this is the turning point I've dreamed of. Scotland? They will get their independence, and good luck to them. Milliband signed his own death warrant by being 'interviewed' by that oxygen thief, Russell Brand. Hilarious and hopefully a lesson to future vote grabbers!!
It just feels to me that there's a kind of inevitability about Scotland going it alone. The Union is split very badly now. The SNP want to break it up and there will be a lot of controversy ahead when they try to vote on anything that effects Wales, Northern Ireland or England. Why should a party that are only relevant in Scotland have any say or influence in the rest of the Union? Splitting seems inevitable to me. I'd still be sad to see the Union break up though.
Maybe the English should go it alone.
Yes, on Europe, I have never been happy with the political union. Trading partners............absolutely, but being governed by unelected foreigners is not for me.
I'd vote to leave the EU even if I were certain that it would make me and mine worse off. That's a principal I will never reconsider.
Just to add my congrats to all for a very enjoyable thread and to everybody for keeping their discipline when the debating got a bit hot.
Stan refereed it brilliantly. Special mention to Swords who made it very entertaining to read. He is often the first to get blamed when things go wrong. Thanks for making me laugh a lot Swordsie.
Stan refereed it brilliantly. Special mention to Swords who made it very entertaining to read. He is often the first to get blamed when things go wrong. Thanks for making me laugh a lot Swordsie.
Pants and Weather, Feather and Wind
The English Bull Terrier no longer The Bulldog
Come out of EU and you can be a Jack Russell, chasing after rodents underground
The English are going to get a lot of this from the EU in the run up to a referendum so they'd better steel themselves!
The irony has hopped out of that sentence so much it nearly smacked me on the face.
C'mon COL, as a Conservative British nationalist, you must see the paradox in what you say???
That's clear Col. Re Scotland, there is the reverse argument, why should a government in Westminster which has virtually no presence in Scotland have a say over Scottish affairs? But it's a circular argument and we've covered it on here before. I think Scotland will go in the next five years - but only if the economy remains on the up. If things are getting rocky again the safety in numbers, blame the other lot mentality will kick back in. Whatever, good luck to them.
Only an idiot would argue that the EU is a flawless organisation, so here goes........no, I'm not that daft. But for once I take a very pragmatic view on this one, reform if possible, but stay in for purely economic reasons. It will become untenable at some stage, this half in, half out attitude. But your point of principle is unarguable (unless of course we really give up sovereignty to an elected European government.......nah).
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