Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Uber_Hoop said:
I’ve heard it said on the wireless on a number of occasions that an immigration coming to the UK has to be earning around £45kpa before they’re a net contributor, and this figure doubles if they bring just one dependent. I don’t know where this figure came from and it needs fact checking, I know, but feels about right, although there are also myriad variables such as where they choose to live.

So, I don’t know if I completely agree with the “cut immigration and get poorer” option. Of course, we should always help genuine asylum seekers, but we cannot do that ad infinitum without also having the balance of the right quota of contributors as well.

One of the biggest problems that I can see is that our default seems to be that most immigrants claiming asylum are genuine.

Something I think is badly needed is a joined-up process right across Europe. If, for example, immigrants arrive in (say) Greece, we should be able to log their ID (prints, DNA, retina or whatever) and the story they give, who they’re travelling with, where they ultimately want to get to etc. It ought to be fairly straightforward to re-process them at various European borders and cross-check stories etc. for consistency.
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If only we were still part of Europe and could take advantage of the Dublin agreement.
 
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Stroller said:
If only we were still part of Europe and could take advantage of the Dublin agreement.
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I was waiting for that from you and you didn’t disappoint. There’s nothing whatsoever stopping us from setting up cooperation on this with our without EU membership. We need to identify the albayd sayiya.
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
I’ve heard it said on the wireless on a number of occasions that an immigration coming to the UK has to be earning around £45kpa before they’re a net contributor, and this figure doubles if they bring just one dependent. I don’t know where this figure came from and it needs fact checking, I know, but feels about right, although there are also myriad variables such as where they choose to live.

So, I don’t know if I completely agree with the “cut immigration and get poorer” option. Of course, we should always help genuine asylum seekers, but we cannot do that ad infinitum without also having the balance of the right quota of contributors as well.

One of the biggest problems that I can see is that our default seems to be that most immigrants claiming asylum are genuine.

Something I think is badly needed is a joined-up process right across Europe. If, for example, immigrants arrive in (say) Greece, we should be able to log their ID (prints, DNA, retina or whatever) and the story they give, who they’re travelling with, where they ultimately want to get to etc. It ought to be fairly straightforward to re-process them at various European borders and cross-check stories etc. for consistency.
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You will be unsurprised that I am supportive of European co-operation!

The "get poorer" point is a fundamental truth of demography. We already have an aging population. There will be millions more people 70+ in the near-future, and this population will grow much faster than the working age population. I'll need to look at the ONS figs to confirm but I think the working age population wouldn't grow at all without immigration.

Higher numbers of pensioners (heavy NHS users etc) + fewer workers = poorer. Unless there is some sort of miraculous productivity gain from AI, and even then we'd have to assume those productivity gains are shared with workers instead of taken by the companies.
 
Quite Possibly Raving said:
You will be unsurprised that I am supportive of European co-operation!

The "get poorer" point is a fundamental truth of demography. We already have an aging population. There will be millions more people 70+ in the near-future, and this population will grow much faster than the working age population. I'll need to look at the ONS figs to confirm but I think the working age population wouldn't grow at all without immigration.

Higher numbers of pensioners (heavy NHS users etc) + fewer workers = poorer. Unless there is some sort of miraculous productivity gain from AI, and even then we'd have to assume those productivity gains are shared with workers instead of taken by the companies.
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Agreed, but only true if sufficient numbers coming in actually work and don’t just take benefits.
 
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Stroller said:
Jesus, this thread has gone properly race hate. What did I start?
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This country needs immigration to function properly. The usual suspects on here voted for Brexit to kick out the white Europeans, now they want to kick out the brown immigrants too. There genuinely aren't enough UK citizens to plug the gaps.

It's quite confusing to understand what they actually want.
 
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Toby said:
This country needs immigration to function properly. The usual suspects on here voted for Brexit to kick out the white Europeans, now they want to kick out the brown immigrants too. There genuinely aren't enough UK citizens to plug the gaps.

It's quite confusing to understand what they actually want.
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Does anyone really have a problem with legal immigrants
Brown or white
 
How many people is 4.4 percent
Surely some of them could be trained up to make stroller his decaf soy latte





  • The UK unemployment rate for February to April 2024 (4.4%) is above estimates of a year ago (February to April 2023), and increased in the latest quarter.
 
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