Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Staines R's said:
No, but the point of making it difficult is to make people less likely to bother in the first place.
Mexico in 1988 was a classic example, where they showed, falsely, that the ruling party were romping home…..thus leading to many opposition voters saying what was the point in voting as it made no difference…and making a very loose turn out in areas that were close.
Pure manipulation
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Same as the Brexit vote then.
 
kiwiqpr said:
If avoiding a queue with your passport is more important to you than millions of the UKs working class getting payrises since the end of EU FoM; then you are a selfish ass!

UK sees fastest wage rises in sectors most reliant on EU workers - Indeed
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LONDON, Feb 25 (Reuters) - British wages are rising fastest in low-paid sectors where employers previously relied on workers from the European Union, new analysis from recruitment agency Indeed showed on Friday.

Britain saw net immigration of more than 2 million EU citizens between 2010 and 2020, after which EU citizens lost the unrestricted right to work in Britain as a result of Brexit.

Sectors such as construction, cleaning, driving, hospitality and leisure - where EU workers accounted for more than 10% of staff - had seen advertised wages grow 11% between 2019 and 2021, Indeed said based on an analysis of its data.

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By contrast, sectors where fewer than one in 20 workers were from the EU saw advertised pay rates rise just 5% over the period.

"Importing workers from the EU is no longer the safety valve for businesses that it was before Brexit. Employers now have little option but to hike pay to try to entice workers," Indeed economist Jack Kennedy said.

Some of the difference in pay growth reflected how sectors where EU workers had been most common were often also those which had seen the greatest surge in demand during and after the COVID-19 pandemic, Indeed said.

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"Major shifts imposed on the labour market by the pandemic, coupled with the legacy of Brexit, have coalesced into a perfect storm for the occupations previously most reliant on EU workers," Kennedy said.

Before Brexit, economists had found relatively little evidence that high levels of immigration from the EU contributed to the weak pay growth suffered by British workers since the 2008 financial crisis.

Under the new rules, prospective EU workers must meet the same standards on pay and qualifications as those from the rest of the world.

Companies must normally pay staff at least 25,600 pounds ($34,030) a year - about 5,000 pounds less than the average full-time wage in Britain - for them to be eligible for an employment visa. Some sectors with particular labour shortages have lower salary thresholds.
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Brexit win for British workers.
 
So someone who was on £25k a year before tax is now on just under £28k rather than just over £26k. Meanwhile they’d need to be on £29k for their income to have kept up with inflation before considering any increase in their taxes and the likelihood their personal inflation is likely to be higher than the official level plus any other additional costs they’ve incurred as a result of Brexit.

Power to the people.
 
Bwood_Ranger said:
So someone who was on £25k a year before tax is now on just under £28k rather than just over £26k. Meanwhile they’d need to be on £29k for their income to have kept up with inflation before considering any increase in their taxes and the likelihood their personal inflation is likely to be higher than the official level plus any other additional costs they’ve incurred as a result of Brexit.

Power to the people.
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You Neo-Libs need people to serve your lattes.
Power to the commodity !!!
 
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Staines R's said:
You Neo-Libs need people to serve your lattes.
Power to the commodity !!!
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The Englishman who did my espresso in an independent coffee shop today was very nice and seemed chirpy. I hope he’s on a solid wage given it cost me £2.50 for something with a cost of goods of about 7p. If not I’ll be supporting his right to strike.

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Bwood_Ranger said:
The Englishman who did my espresso in an independent coffee shop today was very nice and seemed chirpy. I hope he’s on a solid wage given it cost me £2.50 for something with a cost of goods of about 7p. If not I’ll be supporting his right to strike.

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I don’t believe you. If you’re so infatuated with the EU, there is no way that you would be supporting workers rights to strike. Instead you’d be looking at bussing in cheaper workers to undercut the strikers.
Fascist scab !!!
 
Staines R's said:
I don’t believe you. If you’re so infatuated with the EU, there is no way that you would be supporting workers rights to strike. Instead you’d be looking at bussing in cheaper workers to undercut the strikers.
Fascist scab !!!
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If it was up to me we’d all be striking at random points in the year for better conditions. I’ve e-mailed Andre Dozzell advising him to strike from August to May, for example.
 
Bwood_Ranger said:
If it was up to me we’d all be striking at random points in the year for better conditions. I’ve e-mailed Andre Dozzell advising him to strike from August to May, for example.
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You get enough holidays and only work from 9 till 3. And you ruin the future of our kids.

I read that in the Mail so it must be true
 
Bwood_Ranger said:
It’s a great way for Tories to erode our human rights.
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Leaving is the nuclear option, and if we did, I imagine similar provisions would be included in a new Human Rights Act.

The current injunction issue must be resolved. Current Immigration draft act will allow UK to ignore such rulings. If ECHR challenge, we'll leave.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
Leaving is the nuclear option, and if we did, I imagine similar provisions would be included in a new Human Rights Act.

The current injunction issue must be resolved. Current Immigration draft act will allow UK to ignore such rulings. If ECHR challenge, we'll leave.
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If you trust this government to protect your rights where it doesn’t have to you’re even more of a mug than I thought.
 
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