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But with respect Wills, it was specifically the Scottish bill that was being discussed. And as I said, after reading about it I find it absolutely crazy.
And to your second comment, yeah some off it can be pretty horrific….and probably why I’ve got more respect for the OB now than I ever did before…..as on every occasion they have treated the victim with the utmost respect, concern and wanted to help. Sadly many, from my experience, won’t take that help (for reasons that are many).
That’s the part I find very frustrating
But the aggressive transgender lobby is fair game, just as any other lobby group is.
As someone who was saved from bowel cancer by the NHS, I can only wonder what the German or Belgian systems could have done better.
Again we are getting in to the “what you can laugh at” debate……who chooses ?
Like I’ve replied to Staines, one of the main objection to trans rights is safety of women, it’s been brought up on here numerous times, so does have a level of relevance.
I’m not going to get into the ins and outs of what has been proposed in Scotland for a number of reasons, firstly I haven’t gone through the entirety of what is being proposed so I’d be ill advised to do so.
I will however take the outrage in the media and on social media with a whole bucket of salt as I’m used to seeing a lot of false information when it comes to trans people and especially trans kids, and what can happen, what is involved for anything to happen and at what stages.
Read what is being suggested and then come back to us Wills. I’d be interested in your opinion
One of the if not the first comments on the issue was a tweet from Hate-Brewer, strongly implying a safety issue.
Like I mentioned to Col I’ve not read it all so won’t comment on the bill itself, my concern is to how it’s reported, like you’re more than aware if the media take their narrative, focus on a single or a couple of points twisting it, sometimes putting it out of context ,the genuine meaning can be lost. For instance calling strikers baby killers.
Personally I read it when it flashed up on my iPad…..i think it was Apple News, and gave a run down of what the bill actually proposed.
Now of course they might be lying but the points they showed seems pretty matter of fact and non-sensationalist
It was a patient that called me a “baby killer”….Kelv called me a “vile ****bag”……..not many “hero’s” being mentioned nowadays…..damn !!
Well I’ve just read the overview and a bit of it, correct me if I’m wrong is it entirely to do with the application of officially changing gender? 3 months as living as that gender for over 18s and 6 months for 16/17s?
Do you not think that time scale might be a little short for a 16 year old to make that life changing decision ?
**** me a patient.. your patience was being tested!! Think the positive out of that isn’t that you’re not stupid enough to believe dumb arse narratives that are spouted by the likes of Kelvin and Hate-Brewer, the downside… some are.
I’ve mentioned a few times on here the list of ‘enemies’ over the last few years is staggering, I’m on the list so at least you have company
I meant it as a general rule of mistreatment, as opposed to satire.
I agree that pretty much nothing is off limits for satire.
if i come over again i will buy you a big cake superstaines
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Since 2000 there have been fewer than 1000 gender reassignment surgeries on the NHS.
To judge from the media and politicians you'd think this was the most important issue in the world today.
More people die of shark attacks and we're not lobbying to sew tits on them.
Ok my take is… kinda. So my first flippant thought was can you imagine a teenager having to fill in the paperwork for that at all let alone on a whim!! My next thought was .. well it’s not exactly difficult to reverse surely? We aren’t talking surgery or anything like that. All it is, is paperwork, maybe they’re going to get a bit of unnecessary admin to do although I suspect it would be extremely rare
I then had a thought about the trans kids I know or are kids of people I know, this is my experience alone, but all of them have been living as their identified gender for years and years. I’d say the average age to ‘come out’ is about 11 (again this is in my experience not a large sample) and each and every one of them have suffered .. because of non acceptance, lack of support and bullying from society, so it’s a big ****ing rock to put on your back, so not done lightly.
On face value I can see the concern, and maybe if I believed 16/17 year olds using this bill on a whim.. yeah, I suspect it unlikely though and those who would use this (remember it’s only paperwork so can be reversed) would be kids living their identified gender for many years.
Saying that I’d preferred if they’d said 16/17 year olds would have ‘needed’ 18 months, rather than 6, I’d hope that might appease the objections, however I suspect I’m being a touch optimistic there. I wouldn’t have a pop at either you or Col on this as I believe your concerns are genuine, but let’s face it there are others out there that hate trans peoples existence and no hoops they could jump through would ever be enough.
Well what a couple of days I've had! Last night an extremely pissed woman drove into my local Asda carpark to buy more booze. Myself and others witnessed her and stopped her from getting back in her car. She was smashed! Police arrived, checked the CCTV, couldn't make out her number plate and drove her home. ****ing pathetic and I told the ****s so.
Today, going to plaster this old ladies bathroom 73 years old and I find her dead in her armchair! Sweet jesus things come in threes they say!
Today, going to plaster this old ladies bathroom 73 years old and I find her dead in her armchair! Sweet jesus things come in threes they say!
And only 3 months living as their new gender for over 18s, and then no assessment by any medical body, be it physical or psychological, just a form to fill in and away you go. I'm not for putting barriers in the way, but reducing the time from the existing two years to three months is a bit of a large step. If, as you suggest, they are coming out and living as their alternative gender in their early teens, then the timescale proposed is pretty irrelevant.
I'm more concerned that the SNP and their allies in the Green Party have pushed this through when it has very little public support up here, and are now going to use this as a rallying call for IndyRef.